Is Jesus' Ressurection just a copy from earlier religions?

Started by Symmetric Chaos5 pages

Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
Science will never kill off religion forever. Because religion backs up science.

The minute people stop believing in a God and forget about the whole Theist V Atheist issue, people will start questioning atheism and atheistic science instead.

There's no such thing as "atheistic science" or "theistic science", though. Also, questioning what science already knows is a built in part of science from the get go (we do it now, it's how people learn). I agree that there's no way religion will die out but science is totally unrelated to religion, science has nothing to say on the subject of Gods or souls because they cannot be tested.

Originally posted by Lycanthrope
You never heard the Mythology where Osiris was torn to pieces and died and Isis put him back together,resurrected.

You will have to do some research yourself. I read books not Internet so i have no links to give you and the time and effort it would take to go through my Books would be too much . Im sorry Gav, believe it or not or research it. Im done.

Actually Isis put him back together by having sex with his spine ( it was all that was left) as the story goes, an act of necrophilia and incest in the one funnily enough.
For the purpose of defeating seth.
Through that fornication came horus who eventually pwned seth.

Thats my two cents.

But in light of the topic at hand.
It doesn't relate much on why christ died (sins and all that).
So if we can find something reasonably related in Eurasia then i'd say we have a winner.

Well, kinda, yeah.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There's no such thing as "atheistic science" or "theistic science", though. Also, questioning what science already knows is a built in part of science from the get go (we do it now, it's how people learn). I agree that there's no way religion will die out but science is totally unrelated to religion, science has nothing to say on the subject of Gods or souls because they cannot be tested.

Many claims made by religions are indeed falsifiable. So while it's true in the case of transempirical matters like God and the soul that you mentioned, it's also going too far to say that science has "nothing" to say on the subject of religion. For example, while God itself isn't falsifiable, much of the evidence given by believers for believing in it is, evidence which ranges from the mundane to the wildly paranormal.

Agreed on the rest, especially the self-correcting aspect of the scientific community. Those who think non-thesists accept science as dogma only show that they know very little about the process of refining our knowledge that scientidic tests provide.

Well I would have to say that Yes, the story of Jesus was based off of older myths.
These stories are all tellings of the Hero Archetype,and the case for Christ is no different.
Their's no book i've yet read for the Proof of Jesus that has really impressed me.
I think one of the most damning things against proof for Christ is the fact the the Church has even been accused of creating propeganda in attempts to falsefy a historical account of Jesus.
The simularities between Christ and other God men were so simular that Just Martyr claimed it was the work of the devil in an attempt to sway the faith of Christians.
But to me possibly the biggest blow is the account of Celsus who in one text went as far to comment on Jesus being tortured before the crucifixtion,and even brought up similar god men and how their story was even created better. ( I will quote the text if someone wants me to,though I will have to search through my books)

I can't say in a sense that Jesus didn't exsist,but if the man did exsist I really don't think we know anything of his true life.
Instead, I would consider him an inspiration for the Christian religion that heavily borrowed from older traditions.

Re: Is Jesus' Ressurection just a copy from earlier religions?

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav

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Jesus' story is pretty much a direct copy of Horus from ancient egypt. So yes it is a copy. The story of Horus can be traced all the way back to ancient Sumerian beliefs. I guess maybe every religion has just had a magic guy that comes back to life out of a cave after being murdered though and they're all unique! Or not...

The real problem with making blanket comparisons with the story of any number of Egyptian beliefs is that there are as many different interpretations of Egyptian mythology, it's causes, benefits, moral perspective, etc, as there are different rejected books of the new testament. The story of Horus and Osiris is just as varied from one city to the next as the story of Jesus varies from one text to the next. There are as many as a dozen different creation myths, involving several different creator gods, through out Egypt. The story of Jesus and his divine parentage and resurrection vary from one book to the next, as well. The difference is that one council was convened to agree upon the story that would best benefit the religion and the social implications that came from it being named the state religion. Ra, Ptah, Amon were all national creator gods at one point in time or another in the history of Egypt; it simply depended on which royal family came from which city at any given point. However, the question can be just as easily addressed by remembering that the bible didn't fall from the sky as an agreed upon and fully formed text. Men got together to pick and choose which parts and texts would best serve the mythology as it benefitted the religion they chose to force on people.

Christianity concerns itself primarily with the behavior of it's followers as those actions will ultimately effect what happens to them when they die. The Egyptian religion did exactly the same thing. The Egyptian mythology chose to claim that the divine was the creation of order, morals, justice and what can not be understood as the dividing line between "good" and "evil" and life and death. The Christian religion does basically the same thing. After Osiris died, he descended into the underworld where he served as the king of the dead and thusly also served as the paradise of order from the hell of chaos. This is why the dead Egyptian was judged in order to acheive admission into the kingdom of Osiris or if his soul would be cast into oblivion and true death, meaning the end of existence on all levels and in all forms. The Pharaoh served as the maintainer of order in the Egyptian world, Osiris served that purpose as King of the Dead in the afterlife. Horus was the son of that order, who every king identified himself with since at least the Middle Kingdom. Horus, Osiris, Ra; these are among the oldest gods in Egypt. Sometimes they're grandfather, father and son; other times they were great grandfather, father and son. But almost always Osiris serves as the kinggod, who chose to go and make order for the afterlife, so that the soul of the dead Egyptian had the option to live after dead in this life. But, being among the oldest of gods in Egypt, there is a lot of speculation if these gods were ever real men before being proclaimed gods.

Gary Habermas vs. Tim Callahan

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Seen it Callahan get mauled. Hardly invalidates his position, though.

Originally posted by ushomefree
Gary Habermas vs. Tim Callahan

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So that guys argument that the story of jesus was true is all based on some guy said other guys told him it was? Yea....that's a pretty poor argument. Let's not go on the facts, but just take some random guys word for it. Fact: Either way, the story is still almost a direct copy from other religions which predate the story of jesus.

There really truly is, a divine spirit out there. Dont believe me? Thats cool, but peace and love brother 🙂

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
There really truly is, a divine spirit out there. Dont believe me? Thats cool, but peace and love brother 🙂

I don't deny that at all. 😎

If by spirit you mean the spirit of man then I agree. Unless you think spirit as in a mystical entity inside your body. Then I must disagree.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
There really truly is, a divine spirit out there. Dont believe me? Thats cool, but peace and love brother 🙂

What is a divine spirit, and what do you mean by "out there"?

Why should I believe you? You have not given any tangible proof of your opinion.

The idea of a spirit comes from a time when the knowledge about how the human body works was nonexistent. People believed that the body was filled with a liquid hat was called spirit. This comes from the same word used of alcohol "spirits".

Liquid hat = alcohol?

Bless us everyone

Amen. 🍺

A liquid hat??? Are you sure?

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Liquid hat = alcohol?

Bless us everyone

Amen. 🍺

A liquid hat??? Are you sure?

😆 "filled with a liquid that was called spirit". My "t" sometimes sticks at home.

😂

That's a bit better. I was trying to imagin that hat thing. 😑

Originally posted by Deja~vu
😂

That's a bit better. I was trying to imagin that hat thing. 😑

Don't hurt yourself. 😛

No, you hurt my widdle brain.
bangin

Originally posted by Deja~vu
No, you hurt my widdle brain.
bangin

😆 You put it better then I ever could. 😛