WWHulk w/ Nth Metal Belt and Claw of Horus vs Superman

Originally posted by janus77
I guess you don't know much about Hulk, if you think he's stupid. he's quite cunning when it comes to the actual business of fighting.

but that's irrelevant to this debate as we're talking about WWH - that's the Hulk who was at peace with his Banner side - thus an extremely intelligent and highly trained version of The Hulk.

also, I think you forget that I am speaking about a Hulk with Super Speed (sufficient to keep up with Superman), thus when he leaps at Superman, he's going to be fast enough to tag him; he doesn't need to be able to fly because Superman cannot run away (self-bfr) and because his leaps will be sufficient to reach Superman if necessary.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Weither you like it or not, when it comes to being intelligent, Superman outweights WWH by a large margin. In addition, Hulks Superspeed is not going to help against Superman speed. You know well enough that Superman is much faster not only in travel speed, but combat speed. Now serisouly lets be realistic, if Hulk can't fly, he need to leap to have physical contact with his opponent. However, you CANNOT manuever in the air, so unless Superman is going to stand in one place, Hulk is really not going to hit him. Finally, if Hulk does get into physical range, he still has a power as Superman is more physically stronger, and more versitile. He can become practically invisible and impossible to hit by physical attack which of course s Hulk only type of damage. So yeah, Hulk needs serious help!

Originally posted by Blight
I'm fairly certain he's smarter than superman....

in what sense?

I do not have good knownledge with WWH, I've only read a few issues. What is this Sakar king

Originally posted by Blight
Actually, Hulk is more cunning when he's the Sakar king. I'm fairly certain he's smarter than superman.... that being said, World War Hulk doesn't have the speed or range capable of defeating a man Who is faster and has a better range. Ice Breath and Heat Vision coupled with speed win this round.

I'm not even sure that Banner is smarter than Superman.

Banner is NOT smarter then Superman

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I do not have good knownledge with WWH, I've only read a few issues. What is this Sakar king

planet hulk, which was before WWH.

Originally posted by Raoul
planet hulk, which was before WWH.

Originally posted by Raoul
in what sense?

Originally posted by Raoul
in what sense?

I did say if.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I'm not even sure that Banner is smarter than Superman.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Banner is NOT smarter then Superman

Originally posted by Blight
Battle Tactics, not intelligence... though if banner rivals superman then so does World War Hulk.

I did say if.

superman has learned from the very best, and actually employs tactics in his fights on a regular basis. considering how many of his villains can either drain his energy or use kryptonite against him, he has to fight smart a lot of the time...

i dunno if hulk is that good, tbh...

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I do not have good knownledge with WWH, I've only read a few issues. What is this Sakar king

WWH has full access to his Banner-side, dunno how Clark can possibly be smarter than a guy who hangs with Reed Richards and Tony Stark.

oh and erm, one of Hulk's powers is the ability to change direction mid jump.

as for the speed and range, the range is moot as it's a versus fight and they cannot be too far from each other (bfr), so Superman won't be flying away from Hulk.

the speed, well, that's the power I'd add to Hulk's arsenal, in order for him to win this match.

as for range attacks against Hulk, neither H-V nor freeze breath are realistically going to stop him, he wades through magma like it's nothing, he is as tough as Silver Surfer's cosmic glaze, given that he travelled from Sakaar to Earth whilst standing on the roof of the stone ship. he's demonstrated that he can handle the coldest temps known (vacuum of space) no?

the reason I said flight wasn't necessary was because there is no chasing involved, Superman can't get out of range of Hulk's attacks because we know he can spew energies across miles ... his thunderclaps and stomps can affect miles around. it'll come down to a fist fight and without the speed advantage (negated by giving WWH super speed) Superman's screwed.

Originally posted by Raoul
superman has learned from the very best, and actually employs tactics in his fights on a regular basis. considering how many of his villains can either drain his energy or use kryptonite against him, he has to fight smart a lot of the time...

i dunno if hulk is that good, tbh...

Originally posted by Blight
It's really weird for someone to argue something when they don't know both sides of the facts, isn't it?

Originally posted by janus77
WWH has full access to his Banner-side, dunno how Clark can possibly be smarter than a guy who hangs with Reed Richards and Tony Stark.

oh and erm, one of Hulk's powers is the ability to change direction mid jump.

as for the speed and range, the range is moot as it's a versus fight and they cannot be too far from each other (bfr), so Superman won't be flying away from Hulk.

the speed, well, that's the power I'd add to Hulk's arsenal, in order for him to win this match.

as for range attacks against Hulk, neither H-V nor freeze breath are realistically going to stop him, he wades through magma like it's nothing, he is as tough as Silver Surfer's cosmic glaze, given that he travelled from Sakaar to Earth whilst standing on the roof of the stone ship. he's demonstrated that he can handle the coldest temps known (vacuum of space) no?

the reason I said flight wasn't necessary was because there is no chasing involved, Superman can't get out of range of Hulk's attacks because we know he can spew energies across miles ... his thunderclaps and stomps can affect miles around. it'll come down to a fist fight and without the speed advantage (negated by giving WWH super speed) Superman's screwed.

And if someone is frozen with so much breath that one can't move then you are technically incapacitated.

Originally posted by janus77
WWH has full access to his Banner-side, dunno how Clark can possibly be smarter than a guy who hangs with Reed Richards and Tony Stark.

then you obviously don't know clark.

Originally posted by Blight
This is true... which is why I always get pissed when people talk about Kryptonite always being the trump card in superman's case. He could just melt that crap.

lol, he could, that's true...

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Not really. I know, and seen enough to say which has one. Hulk hasn't gained the ability of flight, or superspeed. So I don't have to know the story to know ones limit.

Originally posted by Raoul
then you obviously don't know clark.

lol, he could, that's true...

I'm not sure if Clark even merits mention when it comes to this. Batman's smarter than Clark, Luthor's smarter than Clark... just in general terms (we can't go into depth as training vs innate creativity and propensity for on-the-fly analysis and imagination could all be brought into play (all would favour Banner, naturally)) Banner's on a level of intellect beyond Batman, more closely approaching Mr Fantastic.