WWHulk w/ Nth Metal Belt and Claw of Horus vs Superman

Originally posted by janus77
Banner is also a genius and in his field he even exceeds Doom and Richards.

I'm not sure if Clark even merits mention when it comes to this. Batman's smarter than Clark, Luthor's smarter than Clark... just in general terms (we can't go into depth as training vs innate creativity and propensity for on-the-fly analysis and imagination could all be brought into play (all would favour Banner, naturally)) Banner's on a level of intellect beyond Batman, more closely approaching Mr Fantastic.

Luthor & Wayne are the two most brilliant men in the DCU.... 3rd being mr. terrific.

I was speaking about Banner's general brilliance as well as mentioning that he is pre-eminent in his field. oh and it might help him figure out how to convert Gamma to Kryptonite 😄

as for Batman and Lex being two of the most brilliant ... I wasn't implying that Clark is in their league, just that they aren't in Reed/Doom's league, which is what Banner is close to.

Originally posted by janus77
WWH has full access to his Banner-side, dunno how Clark can possibly be smarter than a guy who hangs with Reed Richards and Tony Stark.

oh and erm, one of Hulk's powers is the ability to change direction mid jump.

as for the speed and range, the range is moot as it's a versus fight and they cannot be too far from each other (bfr), so Superman won't be flying away from Hulk.

the speed, well, that's the power I'd add to Hulk's arsenal, in order for him to win this match.

as for range attacks against Hulk, neither H-V nor freeze breath are realistically going to stop him, he wades through magma like it's nothing, he is as tough as Silver Surfer's cosmic glaze, given that he travelled from Sakaar to Earth whilst standing on the roof of the stone ship. he's demonstrated that he can handle the coldest temps known (vacuum of space) no?

the reason I said flight wasn't necessary was because there is no chasing involved, Superman can't get out of range of Hulk's attacks because we know he can spew energies across miles ... his thunderclaps and stomps can affect miles around. it'll come down to a fist fight and without the speed advantage (negated by giving WWH super speed) Superman's screwed.

Superman/Clark learns an entire language in a few seconds. He read an antire book in less then a seconds. He is very smart.

Hulk can move mid air. Superman's HV is much hotter then magma. Superman Super breathe is also very very cold.

There was always enough of Banner inside Hulk that he never killed an innocent person.

Originally posted by janus77
I was speaking about Banner's general brilliance as well as mentioning that he is pre-eminent in his field. oh and it might help him figure out how to convert Gamma to Kryptonite 😄

as for Batman and Lex being two of the most brilliant ... I wasn't implying that Clark is in their league, just that they aren't in Reed/Doom's league, which is what Banner is close to.

Originally posted by janus77
Banner is also a genius and in his field he even exceeds Doom and Richards.

I'm not sure if Clark even merits mention when it comes to this. Batman's smarter than Clark, Luthor's smarter than Clark... just in general terms (we can't go into depth as training vs innate creativity and propensity for on-the-fly analysis and imagination could all be brought into play (all would favour Banner, naturally)) Banner's on a level of intellect beyond Batman, more closely approaching Mr Fantastic.

batman is tactically smarter. but he's batman. when it comes to science, superman can build legion flight rings if he wants to.

luthor is not much smarter than superman. if he was, he'd have done away with superman years ago.

banner's intellect, even if it was above clark, is limited to his field. superman isn't. he's built things banner could only dream of...

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman/Clark learns an entire language in a few seconds. He read an antire book in less then a seconds. He is very smart.

Hulk can move mid air. Superman's HV is much hotter then magma. Superman Super breathe is also very very cold.

Originally posted by Raoul
batman is tactically smarter. but he's batman. when it comes to science, superman can build legion flight rings if he wants to.

luthor is not much smarter than superman. if he was, he'd have done away with superman years ago.

banner's intellect, even if it was above clark, is limited to his field. superman isn't. he's built things banner could only dream of...

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman/Clark learns an entire language in a few seconds. He read an antire book in less then a seconds. He is very smart.

yet he's never been shown as a great thinker, planner, analyst... not much of a great visionary or even very imaginative.

raw processing speed and memory isn't what we are talking about, I suspect.

Originally posted by Raoul
batman is tactically smarter. but he's batman. when it comes to science, superman can build legion flight rings if he wants to.

luthor is not much smarter than superman. if he was, he'd have done away with superman years ago.

banner's intellect, even if it was above clark, is limited to his field. superman isn't. he's built things banner could only dream of...

If Lex is equal to Doom, then Lex is quite a bit smarter.

Originally posted by janus77
doesn't Flash read entire books in less than a second? doesn't that make Flash a genius too? perhaps a greater genius than Superman?

yet he's never been shown as a great thinker, planner, analyst... not much of a great visionary or even very imaginative.

raw processing speed and memory isn't what we are talking about, I suspect.

Originally posted by Mindset
People compare Luthor to Doom in intellect, I don't agree with that, but whatever.

If Lex is equal to Doom, then Lex is quite a bit smarter.

superman is an actual genius, though. he's on par with almost anyone on earth.

Originally posted by Mindset
People compare Luthor to Doom in intellect, I don't agree with that, but whatever.

If Lex is equal to Doom, then Lex is quite a bit smarter.

Originally posted by janus77
doesn't Flash read entire books in less than a second? doesn't that make Flash a genius too? perhaps a greater genius than Superman?

yet he's never been shown as a great thinker, planner, analyst... not much of a great visionary or even very imaginative.

raw processing speed and memory isn't what we are talking about, I suspect.

Originally posted by Raoul
superman is an actual genius, though. he's on par with almost anyone on earth.

Originally posted by Blight
I don't agree with it either... lex seems so much smarter.

Originally posted by Raoul
superman is an actual genius, though. he's on par with almost anyone on earth.

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Originally posted by Blight
Ummmm I'd say Wayne & Luthor are probably AT dooms Level, if not slightly above. You're a DCist! Racist against the DC Universe!!!

I dunno, nobody who would subject himself to as much ridicule as Batman does (questionable associations with orphaned young boys) can be all that smart ❌ be a pop-star if you wanna do that shit ✅

seriously, Batman's come up against characters with far more intellect and "brilliance" than himself, no? I seem to recall him even admitting that he's been bested. it's in "detective work" and CSI style "science" that Batman excelled, like Sherlock Holmes...

what have either demonstrated on the scale of preposterousness that Doom and Reed's time-travelling tech? (serious question, I don't recall much in either's personal arsenal of inventions to merit comparison).

Originally posted by Mindset
There are a lot of genius' in comics, doesn't mean they are on Doom or Lex level.

no. he's arguably top tier when it comes to pure intelligence. he has total recall to boot...

Originally posted by Raoul
no. he's arguably top tier when it comes to pure intelligence. he has total recall to boot...

What feats does Supe have that put him in the same league as the top intellects in comics? (Lex, Doom, Reed, etc?)

Bart Allen had total recall, doesn't mean much.