Originally posted by Burning thought
What is his highest durability feat, more speciifcally what is AC sephiroths highest feat? and no, everyone knows you are the bad debator, you cough up assumptions and theories about [b]your sephiroth rather than the real canon version all the time, then try and toss it in peoples faces. "zomg sephiorth has neg lifesream and therefore has tonnes of spellz he never uses!"
Sephiroths feats?
Infecting the lifestream
Creating a plague
Holding back a power capable of wrecking the planet
Taking over the Jenova entity
Resisting Death
Reforming his body
Creating life
Those are just feats off the top of my head, now whats Kains feats?
Obviously by logic if Sephiroth controls the negative lifestream (the lifestream is the source of all the FF7 magic spells, Fact) and his weak remnants who have small control over it were able to use it as magic, then obviously by logic Sephiroth who created the negative lifestream and has complete control over it can use it as magic at its full potetntial. Thats logic, even a non-biased 8 year old can tell you that.
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Originally posted by Terryc250
AC Sephiroth was on screen for 10 minutes and was defeated by an unknown attack. So his durability is "unknown". Yet your anti-sephiroth mind goes against logic and assumes "zomg he must have the durability of a regular human!!!11" when obviously nothing about him is human.Sephiroths feats?
Infecting the lifestream
Creating a plague
Holding back a power capable of wrecking the planet
Taking over the Jenova entity
Resisting Death
Reforming his body
Creating lifeThose are just feats off the top of my head, now whats Kains feats?
Obviously by logic if Sephiroth controls the negative lifestream (the lifestream is the source of all the FF7 magic spells, Fact) and his weak remnants who have small control over it were able to use it as magic, then obviously by logic Sephiroth who created the negative lifestream and has complete control over it can use it as magic at its full potetntial. Thats logic, even a non-biased 8 year old can tell you that.
Not really, you post evidence like maybe once out of 50 posts.
So he has zero known resistance and it wasnt realy any more unkown than a sword slash from Dante in a cinematic, we know all it was, is many small blades from the main sword slashing Sephiroth extremely fast. And no it goes nothing against logic, not being human doesnt mean he doesnt have human durability, thats Sephiroth fanboy logic. All he is, is Jenova cells....hes likely softer than a human unless you can prove the cells are durable.
I asked for durability feats Terry, that much was obvious maybe even to Gumachi lol....it is in plain English...please dont dodge again...
No thats not logic, you still need materia to cast the other spells, its obvious that the Negative lifestream only more likely has access to those shadow beings, other than that, the trio requiered other materia to use other spells. That is far clearer logic, yours is full of assumption, mine is straight logic thats been shown.
baseless lie....most of my evidence is in one or two pages which I post frequently.
Originally posted by Burning thought
[B]So he has zero known resistance and it wasnt realy any more unkown than a sword slash from Dante in a cinematic, we know all it was, is many small blades from the main sword slashing Sephiroth extremely fast. And no it goes nothing against logic, not being human doesnt mean he doesnt have human durability, thats Sephiroth fanboy logic. All he is, is Jenova cells....hes likely softer than a human unless you can prove the cells are durable.
I asked for durability feats Terry, that much was obvious maybe even to Gumachi lol....it is in plain English...please dont dodge again...
No thats not logic, you still need materia to cast the other spells, its obvious that the Negative lifestream only more likely has access to those shadow beings, other than that, the trio requiered other materia to use other spells. That is far clearer logic, yours is full of assumption, mine is straight logic thats been shown.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Umm no, Clouds Omnislash V5 wasn't even physical, so it hardly just sword slashes. No i've told you already, he's Jenova. Jenova travelled planet to planet on a meteor crash landing into the planet, no human can survive that, the northern crator was even from Jenova. The cells multiply and reform, hence how Sephiroth reformed his body, hence how Sephiroth was reforming every body part of jenova in FF7 into his Sephiroth appearance.I thought you were asking for AC Sephiroths highest feats, i ignored the first question because i thought you were smart enough to figure out that AC Sephiroth was only on-screen for 10 minutes and i've numerously told you that his durability is "unknown".
The trio don't have full power of the Negative Lifestream. Only Sephiroth is capable of using it's full power and cover the entire metropolis city of the planet in an instant. The trio needing materia to help them tap into the lifestream because they don't have full power over the NL makes complete sense yes. Where did i assume? I didn't at all. Sephiroth having full power over the NL is fact, he created it. The NL being a source of magic is fact. Put them together and THATS logic, Sephiroth being able to use the NL to its full power.
Prove its not physical please. That was before it was defeated ofcourse....and that was in a diffrent form, unless you can show me it looking like Sephiroth when it lands. Sephiroth just has all its cells. THat doesnt mean his body has the same durability just because he has the same cells.
AKA, his durability is featless so you cannot use it to survive an attack
Can you prove they dont access the exact same magic sephiroth does? Sure they dont control the lifestream itself, but nothing can say whether they actually have the same magical access to its abilities as Sephiroth does.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
You guys are straying a liiiiiittle bit away from our topic here.Again: Kil'jaeden vs Cloud, Sephiroth.
Kil'Jaeden. They are of very different leagues.
Here is merely the size of Kil'Jaeden (Lets not even begin discussing his unlimited power) and Kil'Jaeden can shapeshift to what size and form he desires:
Originally posted by Burning thought
Prove its not physical please. That was before it was defeated ofcourse....and that was in a diffrent form, unless you can show me it looking like Sephiroth when it lands. Sephiroth just has all its cells. THat doesnt mean his body has the same durability just because he has the same cells.
It doesn't matter what form it's in, Jenova cells shapeshifts constantly. Even when Jenova first came to the planet she scanned the cetra's minds and shapeshifted into theforms of their ancestors.
AKA, his durability is featless so you cannot use it to survive an attack
It doesn't matter if it's just cells, or a body part, once Sephiroth induces its will in Jenova, he has all of her powers, Jenova regenerates from whatever form its in, back into its original, right from the Reunion Files:
One of the properties Jenova possesses is that separated pieces of flesh, called cells, will regenerate back to their original form - working toward the phenomenon of reunification. This is shown by instance(s) when both Jenova, who is practically close to immortal, and the son whom should be called Sephiroth, are resurrected sooner or later even after being destroyed.
Can you prove they dont access the exact same magic sephiroth does? Sure they dont control the lifestream itself, but nothing can say whether they actually have the same magical access to its abilities as Sephiroth does. [/B]
Originally posted by Terryc250
Try watching this without your anti-sephiroth glasses on
5:50, he phases through Sephiroth multiple times, Sephiroth doesn't get a single phsyical wound cut or even tattered clothes, its blatantly obvious.
YouTube videoIt doesn't matter what form it's in, Jenova cells shapeshifts constantly. Even when Jenova first came to the planet she scanned the cetra's minds and shapeshifted into theforms of their ancestors.
AKA, his durability is featless so you cannot use it to survive an attackIt doesn't matter if it's just cells, or a body part, once Sephiroth induces its will in Jenova, he has all of her powers, Jenova regenerates from whatever form its in, back into its original, right from the Reunion Files:
One of the properties Jenova possesses is that separated pieces of flesh, called cells, will regenerate back to their original form - working toward the phenomenon of reunification. This is shown by instance(s) when both Jenova, who is practically close to immortal, and the son whom should be called Sephiroth, are resurrected sooner or later even after being destroyed.
Well thats basic logic and common sense, if you don't have full power over something, you cannot use it to its full potential compared to someone who does. Can the remnants create life with it? No, can the remnants summon it to cover the city? No.
Does anyone get ripped to pieces in AC? no....nobody gets ripped up, for all you know its a film designers decision to not allow Sephiroth to end up into little pieces, hell in little pieces they would be cutting an important part out of the plot like when sephiroth says "I will never be a memory" (or something like that) . It could easily be a number of things why Sephiroth didnt suddenly fall into gory bits....
also what is the Age rating of the film? its not an 18...therefore a guy being ripped to bits by clouds attack would not be likely shown, the fact remains is the sword is physical, has been shown to be physical as well when slicing objects. The likeliness that Cloud randomly made each of the pieces of his sword into spirit blades is unlikely, the likliness Fanboys are going to assume and invent unlikely circumstances to allow Sephiroth some durability is high.
CAN YOU PROVE they dont have the same magical connection, controlling something is diffrent from tapping into its power. Using materia doesnt allow the users to control the lifestream for instance.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Sephiroths feats?Infecting the lifestream
Creating a plague
Holding back a power capable of wrecking the planet
Taking over the Jenova entity
Resisting Death
Reforming his body
Creating lifeThose are just feats off the top of my head, now whats Kains feats?
Creating the Lich King.
Wielding powers far beyond planetary shattering, through the Paramount spells.
Bending the DreadLords to his will.
Working through a Illusion Kil'Jaeden summoned Mannaroth to Draenor, Last Time Mannaroth was brought into a world it toke the power of the Well of Eternity.
The mere Shadow aspect of Kil'Jaedens true form that was stopped at the sunwell was enough to doom the world.
Touched the minds of the entire Eredar Race when Velen Escaped.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Creating the Lich King.
Wielding powers far beyond planetary shattering, through the Paramount spells.
Bending the DreadLords to his will.
Working through a Illusion Kil'Jaeden summoned Mannaroth to Draenor, Last Time Mannaroth was brought into a world it toke the power of the Well of Eternity.
The mere Shadow aspect of Kil'Jaedens true form that was stopped at the sunwell was enough to doom the world.
Touched the minds of the entire Eredar Race when Velen Escaped.
I think he was talking about Kain, but yeah...
Originally posted by Burning thought
Does anyone get ripped to pieces in AC? no....nobody gets ripped up, for all you know its a film designers decision to not allow Sephiroth to end up into little pieces, hell in little pieces they would be cutting an important part out of the plot like when sephiroth says "I will never be a memory" (or something like that) . It could easily be a number of things why Sephiroth didnt suddenly fall into gory bits....
also what is the Age rating of the film? its not an 18...therefore a guy being ripped to bits by clouds attack would not be likely shown, the fact remains is the sword is physical, has been shown to be physical as well when slicing objects. The likeliness that Cloud randomly made each of the pieces of his sword into spirit blades is unlikely, the likliness Fanboys are going to assume and invent unlikely circumstances to allow Sephiroth some durability is high.
CAN YOU PROVE they dont have the same magical connection, controlling something is diffrent from tapping into its power. Using materia doesnt allow the users to control the lifestream for instance. [/B]
no we can all see the sword is physical in the film, your the one guessing it suddenly went spiritual not me, everything ive said about it is fact. The age rating of the film would not allow a character to be ripped to pieces and its also fact, the developers merely chose it to be that way, there is nothing stating any spiritual happenings of the sort apart from you.
no no no, no common sense or logic points to Sephiroth being able to tap into its magical potential just because he can actually move the thing itself, the fact remains that the Jenova cells inside give him the ability to move it, if they were not there, he could not, nothing states the cells also allow him access to the power of the magic. There is no logic, merely assumption and guesswork.
Originally posted by Burning thought
no we can all see the sword is physical in the film, your the one guessing it suddenly went spiritual not me, everything ive said about it is fact. The age rating of the film would not allow a character to be ripped to pieces and its also fact, the developers merely chose it to be that way, there is nothing stating any spiritual happenings of the sort apart from you.
no no no, no common sense or logic points to Sephiroth being able to tap into its magical potential just because he can actually move the thing itself, the fact remains that the Jenova cells inside give him the ability to move it, if they were not there, he could not, nothing states the cells also allow him access to the power of the magic. There is no logic, merely assumption and guesswork. [/B]