Cloud vs. Kil'jaeden

Originally posted by Terryc250
When he's normally sword fighting with it, obviously when he used Omnislash the sword changed as it started glowing with golden aurora, and even 4 spiritual Clouds formed, are you saying they are physical as well?

No, Jenova cells influence its powers. Sephiroth has proven to beable to use it's powers, how else would he use it as a source of life? How else would he be able to transform the entire planet? Logically he can use it as a source of magic as well, since even his remnants who control a small portion of it were even able to.

show me,I dont remember seeing 4 clouds forming....

When did he transform the entire planet? what states he has done so? perhaps his plan was flawed and impossible, he never succeeded so we dont know. His remnants have shown to be able to call forth shadow creep things...thats it....for all you know thats all their capable of doing, same with sephiroth.

Dude i've posted the video like 5 times, go back and watch it.

He said it before the fight that the geotigma was infecting the planet, which is the cause of the Negative Lifestream, and that he was going to turn the planet into his vessel and soar the cosmos. No, the shadow creeps is a spell, Lifestream isn't "spells" its the SOURCE of magic. Its not just a bunch of spells. The remnants hardly have any power over the negative lifestream, Sephiroth has complete control over it, thats why he's able to do things like create life. Magic source, life source, power, thats what the lifestream is capable of, Sephiroth obviously can use it to a higher degree then the remnants.

Statements doesnt mean he can actually do it though, or that he would certainly be successful.

They dont look like spirit clouds to me, looks like typical speed blurring like you see in most films, anime, gaming etc...

Hes only shown to be able to move it, that doesnt mean he can access more magic from it than them, just because ime a better mechanic than my dad, doesnt mean he doesnt have a single trick that is equel to mine....same with remnants, we dont know, but its just as likely that they do have the same connection (and from evidence, a greater connection) to summoning creeps/magic from the Neg lifestream.

He said as his mother once did long ago, meaning Jenova is capable of doing it, the creators wouldn't have him say it if he wasn't capable of doing it.

And they are more then 1 Cloud, as you can see, one goes through the front, the other goes through the back, one from the top,etc one after the other.

Then why can he use it to transform the planet and the remnants can't? Why can he cover midgar with it and the remnants can't? Why can he create life and the remnants can't? Simple, Sephiroth has more power over the neg lifestream then them. Obviously logically he can access its magic source more then the remnants as well.

Originally posted by Terryc250
He said as his mother once did long ago, meaning Jenova is capable of doing it, the creators wouldn't have him say it if he wasn't capable of doing it.

And they are more then 1 Cloud, as you can see, one goes through the front, the other goes through the back, one from the top,etc one after the other.

Then why can he use it to transform the planet and the remnants can't? Why can he cover midgar with it and the remnants can't? Why can he create life and the remnants can't? Simple, Sephiroth has more power over the neg lifestream then them. Obviously logically he can access its magic source more then the remnants as well.

Why? many a villain says they are going to do something, that doesnt necesserily mean that they can.

So? did you watch the DMC vid Gumachi posted of Dante smashes the rocks, at the beginning when he wielded his gauntlets? they move so quickly they look like many blurs of one hand....the same is with this and if ime correct, you did say the attack happens in the blink of an eye or very quickly, which gives more evidence that their speed blurs, further evidence is that they no longer excist as soon as Cloud stops moving.

Show me when he actually creates the remnants please, actually creating them. And no, he has more power over the Jenova cells than they do, allowimg him to move the body of the thing. He does similiar with his willpower against Holy, that doesnt mean he can use its magic or any other object. no thats still a guess, even with more control over its form, its still no logic suggesing he can gain more magic and in any case, an unknown amount so saying "he has millionz of spellz through neg lifestreams!" is not a credible argument in a debate.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Why? many a villain says they are going to do something, that doesnt necesserily mean that they can.

So? did you watch the DMC vid Gumachi posted of Dante smashes the rocks, at the beginning when he wielded his gauntlets? they move so quickly they look like many blurs of one hand....the same is with this and if ime correct, you did say the attack happens in the blink of an eye or very quickly, which gives more evidence that their speed blurs, further evidence is that they no longer excist as soon as Cloud stops moving.

Show me when he actually creates the remnants please, actually creating them. And no, he has more power over the Jenova cells than they do, allowimg him to move the body of the thing. He does similiar with his willpower against Holy, that doesnt mean he can use its magic or any other object. no thats still a guess, even with more control over its form, its still no logic suggesing he can gain more magic and in any case, an unknown amount so saying "he has millionz of spellz through neg lifestreams!" is not a credible argument in a debate. [/B]

Originally posted by Terryc250
Like? Creators don't have characters lie for no reason. Name a game where they had a character lie for no reason at all, go ahead try. There is none.

ok im done 😛

What did Perfect Cell lie about?

he claimed he could destroy the entire solar system with a single kamehameha...an impossible feat, since cell only went ssj 2, if that 😬

I don't recall him stating he can destroy a solar system with a single kamehameha, I remember him saying he can destroy a solar system though

you going by the manga or anime?

Originally posted by Lich King
He was not even able to move. At that point he was also taking a sacrefical blast from the Sunwell itself (Anveena)

An that alone didn't send him packing.

To get a idea of the level of the Sunwell it would be enough to say that Dar'Khan with that energy was said to become more powerful then the Lich King.

Originally posted by MadMel
you going by the manga or anime?

ah figures..i was going by the anime 😬

He did state he can destroy a solar system, and different interpretations say different things, the one I think is official is that he gathered enough energy in his Kamehameha to destroy the Solar System.

Which is a ridiculous claim, considering years later, the vastly more powerful Goku and Vegeta were helpless in the face of Buu's planet busting attack, not to mention the result of Gohan's stronger Kamehameha which killed cell only formed a small character.

So yes, character's can lie.

There's also a difference between a plot statement, and just a statement that was thrown out there that could be exaggerated, if Sephiroth says his goal would be to transform the planet into his vessel like his mother did years ago, chances are he's not lying about that (the story plot is to stop him from doing that), it wouldn't make any sense if the story was to stop him from doing that if he couldn't do it in the first place.

technically cell's claim was a plot statement, because the others didn't realize he'd been lying until after his death 😬

edit - k that was freaky 😬

The statement had nothing to do with the plot 😐 it was just a statement thrown out there.

A plot statement would be like Sephiroth claiming he was using meteor to inflict a wound in the planet, then in that wound he would absorb the lifestream. Do you really think he was lying about absorbing the lifestream? Chances are he wasn't, that's part of the plot, and part of the plot was Cloud and co. stopping him, they weren't just putting that in their for no reason.

Considering Sephiroth is more powerful than his mother, Jenova, who did the same thing, no he was not lying.