Superman vs Flash

Originally posted by shokosugi
yeah right here 😄

#1) This thread is about Wally West<look at first page> . That scan is of Pre-Crisis Barry Allen.

#2) That race was a tie. The only reason why flash says he can't beat Superman wasn't because he wasn't fast enough he got tired due to obstacles. This was hardly just a race. IF you read the issue you would know. It ends up a tie anyway.

#3) Even the title lies. It says: Race to the end of the Universe. Fact is the race was just in the Galaxy not the Universe

#4) Horrible feat to use for both Pre-Crisis Superman and Barry. Who took a while to get across a mere Galaxy. especially considering there best speed feats.

#5) When not mention we Post-C Stuff not PC it's in the forum Rules.

anyway as far speed wise Wally has Superman beat in speed.

what if the race was between flash and silver surfer. race across the universe who would win ?

Originally posted by chomperx9
what if the race was between flash and silver surfer. race across the universe who would win ?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wally should be able to fly. Other speedsters who are connected to the Speed Force have done so such as Johnny Quick and all he does I believe is just reach a certain level of speed and launch himself into flight(At least I think that's how he does it.). It's in his power set, but I don't believe he actually takes advantage of it.

I would count these as flight or as close as you come.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/AirSlowerThanFlash.jpg

I've seen him run in space before.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/FlashinSpace1.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/FlashinSpace2.jpg

wally has done that. against grodd, he ran however distance away from the fight, then ran back and launched himself at grodd, ko'ing the monkey.

Originally posted by Raoul
wally has done that. against grodd, he ran however distance away from the fight, then ran back and launched himself at grodd, ko'ing the monkey.

Oh I remember that issue. I just tried to get it out of my mind as it was rather stupid, and completely down played Wally from what I remember.

How would Flash beat Superman for the majority knowing that T-vo is in his power set? Even without CIS this allowed Superman to take on Dominus. I would like to know as well what the actually speed differential is between Flash and Supes. Is Flash a million or a trillion times faster than superman? Furthermore, would the speed differential be enough to counteract T-vo(defeated galactic threat) and durability (survives billions of times earth's gravity)?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh I remember that issue. I just tried to get it out of my mind as it was rather stupid, and completely down played Wally from what I remember.

lol. its johns. powers suit the story.

Originally posted by Decimus
How would Flash beat Superman for the majority knowing that T-vo is in his power set?

In multiple ways.

Originally posted by Raoul
lol. its johns. powers suit the story.

I know it's Geoff John's who wrote it lol, but still common.

Do you realize how ridiculous that story was?

Flash practically pissed his pants at the simple notion of fighting Gorilla Grodd, and seriously, he was just a bit better than Quicksilver in that arc in my opinion.

I mean, it takes Wally West, all that time, just to run to another city and back, and he apparently breaks his hand by hitting Grodd and he is shocked at the notion of even knocking out Grodd?

That story was stupid on so many levels. Apparently Geoff John's likes Wally West, but based on the way he writes him, I seriously doubt it. That's why I'm pissing myself, about the entire "Flash Rebirth" and how they're going to screw over Wally to make Barry look better.

Well, whatever. Enough with the ranting.

Flash one-shotting Grodd during that story in question, was traveled at mach 10 when he delivered the KO punch, lol.

Rage is right...kinda sad.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I know it's Geoff John's who wrote it lol, but still common.

Do you realize how ridiculous that story was?

Flash practically pissed his pants at the simple notion of fighting Gorilla Grodd, and seriously, he was just a bit better than Quicksilver in that arc in my opinion.

I mean, it takes Wally West, all that time, just to run to another city and back, and he apparently breaks his hand by hitting Grodd and he is shocked at the notion of even knocking out Grodd?

That story was stupid on so many levels. Apparently Geoff John's likes Wally West, but based on the way he writes him, I seriously doubt it. That's why I'm pissing myself, about the entire "Flash Rebirth" and how they're going to screw over Wally to make Barry look better.

Well, whatever. Enough with the ranting.

nah man, and i agree, its a stupid story. it follows the theme of johns though. look at the manhunters. hal fights one in the first arc of the gl v4, and has terrible trouble, yet by GL 13 (i think it is), he and guy are strolling through them. then in GL 25 (i think), frickin BATMAN is killing them with karate chops.

Apparently it took him "seven" entire seconds just to get over 150 miles away from Keystone city and back; throw in the fact that Nightwing his best friends life might have been in danger, he wasn't fooling around. All I have to say to something like that is what the ****?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/FlashWeakened.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/FlashWeakened2.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/FlashWeakened3.jpg

Oh, my god. He thinks he actually knocked out Gorilla Grodd. That's incredible, but did he forget the fact that he easily one shotted a Superman level being and can hit with the force of a White Dwarf Star easily?

Did he also forget the Speed Force grants him immense durability?

I find it hard to believe Geoff John's actually likes the Flash with stuff like this. His story lines might be interesting but his showings aren't that impressive in my opinion.

Whatever, I'm probably just over exaggerating but it still looked rather bad in my opinion.

Originally posted by Raoul
nah man, and i agree, its a stupid story. it follows the theme of johns though. look at the manhunters. hal fights one in the first arc of the gl v4, and has terrible trouble, yet by GL 13 (i think it is), he and guy are strolling through them. then in GL 25 (i think), frickin BATMAN is killing them with karate chops.

facepalm

I was trying to forget about that too. Lol.

I think Geoff John's is a good writer and his story lines are excellent. I really like him, but I think he pays to much attention to the story itself and just screws up with crap like that just to get the story moving. Well, whatever. I still like him as a writer.

Originally posted by Decimus
How would Flash beat Superman for the majority knowing that T-vo is in his power set? Even without CIS this allowed Superman to take on Dominus. I would like to know as well what the actually speed differential is between Flash and Supes. Is Flash a million or a trillion times faster than superman? Furthermore, would the speed differential be enough to counteract T-vo(defeated galactic threat) and durability (survives billions of times earth's gravity)?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Apparently it took him "seven" entire seconds just to get over 150 miles away from Keystone city and back; throw in the fact that Nightwing his best friends life might have been in danger, he wasn't fooling around. All I have to say to something like that is what the ****?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/FlashWeakened.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/FlashWeakened2.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Flash/FlashWeakened3.jpg

Oh, my god. He thinks he actually knocked out Gorilla Grodd. That's incredible, but did he forget the fact that he easily one shotted a Superman level being and can hit with the force of a White Dwarf Star easily?

Did he also forget the Speed Force grants him immense durability?

I find it hard to believe Geoff John's actually likes the Flash with stuff like this. His story lines might be interesting but his showings aren't that impressive in my opinion.

Whatever, I'm probably just over exaggerating but it still looked rather bad in my opinion.

the feats never are that impressive, but they are wonderful stories most of the time (the zoom arc is 100% pure class imo).

johns has a major hardon for barry allen, though, so i fully expect wally to get shafted. apparently he's even getting a new costume and everything, which just pisses me off to no end...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm

I was trying to forget about that too. Lol.

I think Geoff John's is a good writer and his story lines are excellent. I really like him, but I think he pays to much attention to the story itself and just screws up with crap like that just to get the story moving. Well, whatever. I still like him as a writer.

i have the exact same attitude, tbh. i just try not to look at it from a debating standpoint. if i see something good, i use it. otherwise, i don't really care. i just enjoy the story...

Originally posted by Raoul
the feats never are that impressive, but they are wonderful stories most of the time (the zoom arc is 100% pure class imo).

True they are. The Zoom arc was a "terrible" showing for Wally West. Terrible. The story itself was amazing. It's a classic like you said. I hate the fact that Wally West was a punching bag for most of it, but it was still amazing.

Originally posted by Raoul
johns has a major hardon for barry allen, though, so i fully expect wally to get shafted. apparently he's even getting a new costume and everything, which just pisses me off to no end...

That's the vibe I'm getting too. Hence why I'm nervous as hell about Wally West getting screwed over in "Flash: Rebirth". Dan Didio and his Silver Age wanking club, are really going to screw over Wally.

I was reading the first issue, and did Geoff Johns just retcon the fact that Wally West was the first being to get out of the Speed Force?

Because according to Bart Allen, Barry Allen was the first and only, if I recall, which isn't true unless you retcon what Wally West has done on different occasions. I'll go double check later.

I already am seeing the affects, spread.

Did you read "Final Crisis #7"? Apparently Wally West using the Speed Force like his never used it before can only run so fast, that's his behind and beside Barry Allen.

I found that such utter crap. Wally West has done things Barry Allen only can imagine in his wet dreams. So did he like lose most of his power in that arc or something?

I'm just ranting here, lol, but it is annoying.

Originally posted by Raoul
i have the exact same attitude, tbh. i just try not to look at it from a debating standpoint. if i see something good, i use it. otherwise, i don't really care. i just enjoy the story...

True. I feel the same way.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's the vibe I'm getting too. Hence why I'm nervous as hell about Wally West getting screwed over in "Flash: Rebirth". Dan Didio and his Silver Age wanking club, are really going to screw over Wally.

I was reading the first issue, and did Geoff Johns just retcon the fact that Wally West was the first being to get out of the Speed Force?

Because according to Bart Allen, Barry Allen was the first and only, if I recall, which isn't true unless you retcon what Wally West has done on different occasions. I'll go double check later.

I already am seeing the affects, spread.

Did you read "Final Crisis #7"? Apparently Wally West using the Speed Force like his never used it before can only run so fast, that's his behind and beside Barry Allen.

I found that such utter crap. Wally West has done things Barry Allen only can imagine in his wet dreams. So did he like lose most of his power in that arc or something?

I'm just ranting here, lol, but it is annoying.

wally's had twenty odd years to establish himself. there was no post crisis barry allen bar the odd appearance. this is just wrong. wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong...

also, yeah, wally got shafted during FC...

Originally posted by Raoul
wally's had twenty odd years to establish himself. there was no post crisis barry allen bar the odd appearance. this is just wrong. wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong...

also, yeah, wally got shafted during FC...

Yup. It is wrong.

common we all know flash kills supes, but i have a dumb ass friend saying otherwise. if someone could possible just post the scan of flash fighting i believe zoom so fast supes was a statue, and some other good ones it be greatly appreciated. If youre ganna say look through the respect thread, i did and couldnt find anything good.

Only way I see Supes winning is if he pushes the moon or some large celestial body into the Earth. It'll kill Flash..along with most everyone else.