Kain vs Kratos

Originally posted by Burning thought
Lighting does not break or damage mist however, so technically a thunder bolt wouldnt really do anything but condense the mist into more mist, the same as with fire, and Kratos' lightning are not like strike thunder from the sky, their more like blasts that he tosses which are a great margin slower than thunder shocks from the sky, although current Kratos has not shown to be able to do that especially since his God powers were absorbed into the sword.

Also striking one piece of kains mist would not likely disable the whole of him, and kains speed can still allow him to intercept Kratos (as would his teleportation) before he can do an attack, same with TK, kratos would have to aim and throw, using his magic wheras Kain with a gesture can have Kratos unable to move.

since he is mist, lightning would hurt him. And kratos has more than one lighting attack, he has cronus' rage, which automatically locks on to the enemy within a certain radius, so thats straight out lighting speed right there. He doesnt have to "lock on an throw" with everyone of his attacks, and if you get close to him he can use poseidons rage. And what cant kratos do now that he hasnt got his god powers? everything i stated he did, he did without god powers.

And it doesnt matter if the lightning wasnt able to disable the "whole" of him. Im pretty sure if you decapitate kain and take off one of his arms, then hes dead.

whats stopping kain from simply tking kratos, then simply using any magic he desires to kill him?

Soul Reaver < Blades of Olympus

Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont need evidence do I, elemental magic has shown no reason to damage mist, you would have to prove it, its like asking for evidence a physical bullet/sword cannot damage a ghost "sigh" bad debator you are lol

in any case, YOU would need to prove that a lighting bolt can destroy mist, which it doesnt, since mist is simply vapourouse water droplets.

There you go with this BS. But you whine about everyone else having proof. If you can't prove it then don't say it.

Anyway Kratos probably could chop Kain's head off like he did the Barbarian King. Or kill him with The Blade. And none of that "THE BLADE CAN'T KILL HIM!!" If it can kill Gods it can kill Kain. Or stone is his ass(and don't tell me he can't be stoned and he can regenerate because noone can regenerate from that). Don't forget his Typhon's Bow that makes Tornados(which could make with the mist and push it away). Kratos could easily rip Kain's head off lol. And no if his head is gone he can't survive. Even if he TKs Kratos he can shock Kain out of it(If it can shock Zeus it can shock Kain). Or use Eurayle's Rage.

1. meteorology thin fog: a thin gray cloud of water droplets that condenses in the atmosphere just above the ground, limiting the view and making objects appear indistinct

2. condensed water vapor: a film of water vapor that has condensed on a surface

3. fine spray: a fine spray of liquid, for example, from an atomizer or aerosol

4. liquid suspension in gas: a suspension of liquid in a gas

5. obscuring thing: something that makes it difficult to see or understand something

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So Cronos Rage(Lighting)could effect him if he turns into mist. Maybe even the Tornados could also because it's wind. If he tries to use Blood Spray he can either:

1.Atlas Quake Kain.

2.Shock Kain.

3.Stone Kain.

Show me Kain is faster--Which he probably is. Because Kratos can dodge lighting when Zeus is a God(Giant)and he can keep up with Zeus who was moving at lighting speed.

Kratos is probably stronger also. Unless you show me that Kain is stronger.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Show me Kain is faster--Which he probably is. Because Kratos can dodge lighting when Zeus is a God(Giant)and he can keep up with Zeus who was moving at lighting speed.

Kratos is probably stronger also. Unless you show me that Kain is stronger.

Yeah i'm pretty shure. Kratos is waay stronger than Kain[Obviously].

Also he has had 5 games to prove his strength and we haven't see him do anything[?].

Originally posted by k1Lla441
since he is mist, lightning would hurt him. And kratos has more than one lighting attack, he has cronus' rage, which automatically locks on to the enemy within a certain radius, so thats straight out lighting speed right there. He doesnt have to "lock on an throw" with everyone of his attacks, and if you get close to him he can use poseidons rage. And what cant kratos do now that he hasnt got his god powers? everything i stated he did, he did without god powers.

And it doesnt matter if the lightning wasnt able to disable the "whole" of him. Im pretty sure if you decapitate kain and take off one of his arms, then hes dead.

why hurt him? it will condense his mist, thats all, and furthermore Kratos does not have lightning bolts. You cant use lightning bolts or poseidens rage after your power is drained into the sword, so current kratos has only cronos rage which is very short in range.

Kain is already dead, and hes had his heart and soul torn out before and after a duration of minutes he rises again.

But this is beyond the point, Kain doesnt have to allow any of this, one gesture and Kratos is TKed

Originally posted by Terryc250
Wow horrible analogy, ghosts don't have any substance, bullets are physical.

If you flame water, water will turn into mist, however that mist will not equal the same amount of water it originally started with, you know why? Because alot of the water vaporizes into air molecules, keep vaporizing mist, and it keeps reducing its substance.

Mist has substance unlike a ghost, and mist can be stored, vaporized, frozen, etc.

Fire is also physical, wheras Mist is far more fine. Yes water does, but if you flame mist, it doesnt vapourise... not that Kain is going to stay in mist form for longer than a moment...

yet still, you cannot shoot mist, Kratos does not have a flamethrower and is going to sit there burning away at kain, with kain letting him for hours....

Originally posted by Gumachi
There you go with this BS. But you whine about everyone else having proof. If you can't prove it then don't say it.

Anyway Kratos probably could chop Kain's head off like he did the Barbarian King. Or kill him with The Blade. And none of that "THE BLADE CAN'T KILL HIM!!" If it can kill Gods it can kill Kain. Or stone is his ass(and don't tell me he can't be stoned and he can regenerate because noone can regenerate from that). Don't forget his Typhon's Bow that makes Tornados(which could make with the mist and push it away). Kratos could easily rip Kain's head off lol. And no if his head is gone he can't survive. Even if he TKs Kratos he can shock Kain out of it(If it can shock Zeus it can shock Kain). Or use Eurayle's Rage.

1. meteorology thin fog: a thin gray cloud of water droplets that condenses in the atmosphere just above the ground, limiting the view and making objects appear indistinct

2. condensed water vapor: a film of water vapor that has condensed on a surface

3. fine spray: a fine spray of liquid, for example, from an atomizer or aerosol

4. liquid suspension in gas: a suspension of liquid in a gas

5. obscuring thing: something that makes it difficult to see or understand something

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So Cronos Rage(Lighting)could effect him if he turns into mist. Maybe even the Tornados could also because it's wind. If he tries to use Blood Spray he can either:

1.Atlas Quake Kain.

2.Shock Kain.

3.Stone Kain.

what nonsense? make sense kid...

Kratos will chop nothing, Kain with a gesture would immobalise Kratos...and no, Kratos wouldnt be able to do anything once TKed....

Blood shower wouldnt be stopped by any of those abilities and works pretty much instantly, Kratos in less than a second will be a cold dead corpse....both without blood or otherwise, Kain could immediatley teleport out of range of any of Kratos' attacks as well. His mist form could keep him from a distance as well....

Originally posted by Gumachi
Yeah i'm pretty shure. Kratos is waay stronger than Kain[Obviously].

Also he has had 5 games to prove his strength and we haven't see him do anything[?].

lol copying pretty much exactley what Terry said is hilarious, but yes Kratos is indeed stronger, but not by much, Kratos himself has shown pushing pillars etc around, so has Kain, only Kratos' are slightly bigger.

Originally posted by Burning thought
why hurt him? it will condense his mist, thats all, and furthermore Kratos does not have lightning bolts. You cant use lightning bolts or poseidens rage after your power is drained into the sword, so current kratos has only cronos rage which is very short in range.

Kain is already dead, and hes had his heart and soul torn out before and after a duration of minutes he rises again.

But this is beyond the point, Kain doesnt have to allow any of this, one gesture and Kratos is TKed

Fire is also physical, wheras Mist is far more fine. Yes water does, but if you flame mist, it doesnt vapourise... not that Kain is going to stay in mist form for longer than a moment...

yet still, you cannot shoot mist, Kratos does not have a flamethrower and is going to sit there burning away at kain, with kain letting him for hours....

what nonsense? make sense kid...

Kratos will chop nothing, Kain with a gesture would immobalise Kratos...and no, Kratos wouldnt be able to do anything once TKed....

Blood shower wouldnt be stopped by any of those abilities and works pretty much instantly, Kratos in less than a second will be a cold dead corpse....both without blood or otherwise, Kain could immediatley teleport out of range of any of Kratos' attacks as well. His mist form could keep him from a distance as well....

lol copying pretty much exactley what Terry said is hilarious, but yes Kratos is indeed stronger, but not by much, Kratos himself has shown pushing pillars etc around, so has Kain, only Kratos' are slightly bigger.

Actually he has the Urn of Poseidon. Regardless it damage's Kain. Lighting is lighting. [And since it comes from a Titan it's probably more powerful]. And if i'm not mistaken Zeus' used Poseidon's Rage to slay that entire army.

So? Doesn't mean he will survive without a head either. He is already dead? So? Doesn't mean you can't die. Kratos has killed UNDEAD soldiers.

Not if he's shocked.

He has Rage of The Titans with triggers him into Fire. And he can summon a Fire Tornado.

You know what i'm talking about don't try to act as if you don't know.

Once again not if he's shocked or stoned.

He can stone him. If your saying he can't okay in the Kratos vs Dante thread when I said Dante can leave out of Krato's Eurayle's Rage Auto Stone reach he can stone Dante, but it's different with Kain?

If he's shocked he can't Blood Shower him. And how far can he be to do this [Blood Shower]?

Not by much? I'm shure Kratos is waay stronger than Kain.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Actually he has the Urn of Poseidon. Regardless it damage's Kain. Lighting is lighting. [And since it comes from a Titan it's probably more powerful]. And if i'm not mistaken Zeus' used Poseidon's Rage to slay that entire army.

So? Doesn't mean he will survive without a head either. He is already dead? So? Doesn't mean you can't die. Kratos has killed UNDEAD soldiers.

Not if he's shocked.

He has Rage of The Titans with triggers him into Fire. And he can summon a Fire Tornado.

You know what i'm talking about don't try to act as if you don't know.

Once again not if he's shocked or stoned.

He can stone him. If your saying he can't okay in the Kratos vs Dante thread when I said Dante can leave out of Krato's Eurayle's Rage Auto Stone reach he can stone Dante, but it's different with Kain?

If he's shocked he can't Blood Shower him.

Not by much? I'm shure Kratos is waay stronger than Kain.

No he has no posiedons rage, Zeus does not either, he uses the blade of Olmypus to destroy armies, so go and play GOW 2 please and stop wasting peoples time...

Whats funny you keep going on about Shocking Kain but with what? also yes, Kain could still do something after being "shocked", unless you mean stunned, in which case Kratos has no stunning shocking projectiles or blasts, certainly not capable of hitting Kains mist. Furthermore Kains TK is far faster to activate than any of Kratos' powers except maybe Rage of the titans/gods.

Once again, stoning AND shocking take longer than TK, which Kratos needs to be in range for, very short range....

your sure? then go and find me a feat mr "ime sure", Kratos has pushed large pillars, monsters around etc, but Kain or Raziel have pushed their own fair share of equelly heavy objects.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No he has no posiedons rage, Zeus does not either, he uses the blade of Olmypus to destroy armies, so go and play GOW 2 please and stop wasting peoples time...

Whats funny you keep going on about Shocking Kain but with what? also yes, Kain could still do something after being "shocked", unless you mean stunned, in which case Kratos has no stunning shocking projectiles or blasts, certainly not capable of hitting Kains mist. Furthermore Kains TK is far faster to activate than any of Kratos' powers except maybe Rage of the titans/gods.

Once again, stoning AND shocking take longer than TK, which Kratos needs to be in range for, very short range....

your sure? then go and find me a feat mr "ime sure", Kratos has pushed large pillars, monsters around etc, but Kain or Raziel have pushed their own fair share of equelly heavy objects.

Then did it look like Poseidon's Rage? And it was used after Krato's drained his powers into it? It even looked like Poseidon' s Rage YouTube video POSEIDON'S RAGE

Show me proof. And I did mean stunned.

No it doesn't so don't try to say it does. Because it was a different story in the Dante vs Kratos thread.

So Kain can bring down Hydras? Knock down Mintaurs? Bring down Hades' Mintaurs?

You have poseidons rage at the beginning of the game, because thats before all his power is drained into the sword of Olympus....

Proof of what, make yourself clear, and Kratos cannot stun so what are you talking about?

Dante doesnt have bloody TK you loon

bring down? Kain would kill all of those with ease if thats what you mean....their not impressive creatures

Originally posted by Burning thought
You have poseidons rage at the beginning of the game, because thats before all his power is drained into the sword of Olympus....

Proof of what, make yourself clear, and Kratos cannot stun so what are you talking about?

Dante doesnt have bloody TK you loon

bring down? Kain would kill all of those with ease if thats what you mean....their not impressive creatures

And you have it if you gain the Urn.

He can STUN Kain. If he can do it to Zeus, Ares, and a Hydra[It can be done to Kain/He can stun Kain]

Actually Dante does[Have TK]and I wasn't talking about Dante having TK.

How? Ripping out their soul?[What can he do without doing all of that BS.]

Originally posted by Gumachi
And you have it if you gain the Urn.

He can STUN Kain. If he can do it to Zeus, Ares, and a Hydra[It can be done to Kain/He can stun Kain]

Actually Dante does[Have TK]and I wasn't talking about Dante having TK.

How? Ripping out their soul?[What can he do without doing all of that BS.]

which is all of the following:

-gameplay, nothing to do with the storyline and is not even seen as a canon item in any way, shape or form

-controlled completly by the player by turning on or off, I mean hell its basically like a cheat, is Dante invincible just because I can type in the cheat or enter the files?

hes never stunned anyone in a video clip/cinemtic out of gameplay, if your talking about the sad in-game gameplay mechanics where the characters stop for a while then you should start learning gameplay is not included.

Dante has no real TK, hes never lifted objects with TK or anything of the sort, Vergil has a small form of it and Nero with his special devil arm has some form of TK as well but never Dante.

Kains sword the reaver slices through stone with ease and Kain himself has shown to be able to lift fully armoured men with one hand in his weakest form, pushing over something like a minataur especially if he uses both hands would be easy.

Kain has many spells from draining a being dry of blood, to ripping out its soul or using thunder that could kill them, or he could use his sword....and if you gave him the SOUL reaver, they would explode on touch.

why is this so hard to understand?

tk + magic = win..kratos isn't fast enough to attack kain before he is shackled and at kains mercy...

Originally posted by Burning thought
why hurt him? it will condense his mist, thats all, and furthermore Kratos does not have lightning bolts. You cant use lightning bolts or poseidens rage after your power is drained into the sword, so current kratos has only cronos rage which is very short in range.

Kain is already dead, and hes had his heart and soul torn out before and after a duration of minutes he rises again.

But this is beyond the point, Kain doesnt have to allow any of this, one gesture and Kratos is TKed

lol copying pretty much exactley what Terry said is hilarious, but yes Kratos is indeed stronger, but not by much, Kratos himself has shown pushing pillars etc around, so has Kain, only Kratos' are slightly bigger.

Kain turns to mist. So, kain is the mist. electirifying the mist (which is kain) would definitely hurt him. It doesnt take that much, all kratos needs is cronos' rage. And if trys to run away while in mist form, kratos can shoot mini tornadoes from typhons bane (which has long range, unlike cronos' rage). And mist is very light, so it would be that hard to sweep him up as mist.

Its not so easy as "one gesture". kratos has many things of use to him that could easily immobilize kain. Kratos could turn him to stone, as the gorgon flash only takes an instant to turn someone to stone.

Now your just being biased. You cant take kratos' weakest strength feat and compare it to kains strength feats. If you want to compare something, compare kratos lifting atlas' hand (which was tens of thousands of pounds, easily, maybe hundreds of thousands) to kains biggest strenght feat. Atlas hand>>>>> better than kains biggest strenght feat by miles. hes so many times stronger than kain its not even funny.

Originally posted by Burning thought
which is all of the following:

-[b]gameplay, nothing to do with the storyline and is not even seen as a canon item in any way, shape or form

-controlled completly by the player by turning on or off, I mean hell its basically like a cheat, is Dante invincible just because I can type in the cheat or enter the files?

hes never stunned anyone in a video clip/cinemtic out of gameplay, if your talking about the sad in-game gameplay mechanics where the characters stop for a while then you should start learning gameplay is not included.

Dante has no real TK, hes never lifted objects with TK or anything of the sort, Vergil has a small form of it and Nero with his special devil arm has some form of TK as well but never Dante.

Kains sword the reaver slices through stone with ease and Kain himself has shown to be able to lift fully armoured men with one hand in his weakest form, pushing over something like a minataur especially if he uses both hands would be easy.

Kain has many spells from draining a being dry of blood, to ripping out its soul or using thunder that could kill them, or he could use his sword....and if you gave him the SOUL reaver, they would explode on touch. [/B]

Half of the stuff Kain does is gameplay.

One Urn doesn't make him invincible I really wouldn't call it a cheat because it just replaces Crono's Rage.

Why? When it was in the Dante vs Kratos thread you wasn't saying that it had to do with gameplay(Krato's magic). Now it's a different story. [When it's Kain the story is entirely different]

Actually he stopped a motorcycle from hitting him. And when Mundus tried to shoot him in the head it didn't have any effect.

If your talking about Soul Reaver it's not allowed.

Like I said HALF of his abilites are used in gameplay. And soul ripping has nonething to do with the storyline. And even if he did have Soul Reaver, Kratos could easily take it from Kain.

Kratos Auto-Stones Kain, Then Krato's does a shot from The Blade[or Atlas Quake]=Defeated Kain.

Originally posted by Burning thought
yh, drains em to nothing

Your reasioning is flawed in terms of this particular power, the blood has to go through his skin to do such a thing, and a particulary durable individual such as Kratos would not be affected in the same manner as a lesser foe in terms of durability.

I mean, you have said this particular spell would kill Superman Prime, whose entire body is trillions of times more durable than anyone Kain has faced.

Just saying.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
Kain turns to mist. So, kain is the mist. electirifying the mist (which is kain) would definitely hurt him. It doesnt take that much, all kratos needs is cronos' rage. And if trys to run away while in mist form, kratos can shoot mini tornadoes from typhons bane (which has long range, unlike cronos' rage). And mist is very light, so it would be that hard to sweep him up as mist.

Its not so easy as "one gesture". kratos has many things of use to him that could easily immobilize kain. Kratos could turn him to stone, as the gorgon flash only takes an instant to turn someone to stone.

Now your just being biased. You cant take kratos' weakest strength feat and compare it to kains strength feats. If you want to compare something, compare kratos lifting atlas' hand (which was tens of thousands of pounds, easily, maybe hundreds of thousands) to kains biggest strenght feat. Atlas hand>>>>> better than kains biggest strenght feat by miles. hes so many times stronger than kain its not even funny.

Why so? he is mist afterall, the fact its Kain transformed into mist doesnt mean Kain is going to be harmed, you would have to harm the mist. And no, Kains mist isnt exactley normal mist, it embodies his form and is just as heavy as he is otherwise he would have been blown away by a mere breeze wouldnt he...

Yeh but then thats extremely short range and furthermore Kratos in real life out of gameplay would have to pull out a fat Gorgon head which would take more time than Kain moving his hand anyway.

Kratos lifted Atlas' hand? I dont remember that, please show me.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Half of the stuff Kain does is gameplay.

One Urn doesn't make him invincible I really wouldn't call it a cheat because it just replaces Crono's Rage.

Why? When it was in the Dante vs Kratos thread you wasn't saying that it had to do with gameplay(Krato's magic). Now it's a different story. [When it's Kain the story is entirely different]

Actually he stopped a motorcycle from hitting him. And when Mundus tried to shoot him in the head it didn't have any effect.

If your talking about Soul Reaver it's not allowed.

Like I said HALF of his abilites are used in gameplay. And soul ripping has nonething to do with the storyline. And even if he did have Soul Reaver, Kratos could easily take it from Kain.

Kratos Auto-Stones Kain, Then Krato's does a shot from The Blade[or Atlas Quake]=Defeated Kain.

No its not, most of its stated in the actual storyline or in the games information manuels.

Its still an uncanon cheat, so it cant be used.

I never said Kratos would stun dante did I? I never said Kratos was going to have Dante stunned while he does some gameplay button combination which is what it seems your implying Kratos can do to kain...

It just got reflected like a shield, thats not TK because that energy blast is not physical, its energy, also where does it say he used TK on a motarcyle? i never seen that, show me please...

You said the soulreaver was not allowed, not the blood reaver which is diffrent...

The fact their used in gameplay does not include unsuable gameplay mechanics, nor does it mean they are not used in the story elseware.

auto stones? it would take him longer to take out the head and use the short ranged stone power than it would for kain to move his hand.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Since I don't feel like trolling this thread by arguing with you I'll just admit Kain wins, but there is one thing I will say.

Your reasioning is flawed in terms of this particular power, the blood has to go through his skin to do such a thing, and a particulary durable individual such as Kratos would not be affected in the same manner as a lesser foe in terms of durability.

I mean, you have said this particular spell would kill Superman Prime, whose entire body is trillions of times more durable than anyone Kain has faced.

Just saying.

Who says durability is anything to do with it? also the blood does not necesserily have to pass through skin, it may come through his mouth, his ass.....or other areas connected, blood just sprays out of the target, also durability as I was saying may not be a factor, more magic resistance since its a spell, not TK or some physical attack, its the magic doing it, Kains magic is pretty much infnite in source so technically it would be an impossible magic to resist unless you have a special immunity to it. Then again, the spell is in a way targeting the blood, not the being itself, no beings blood is magic resistant even if they are.

Isn't the Blades of Olympus more powerful than Soul Reaver, and did Kain ever kill gods?