Kain vs Kratos

Originally posted by Burning thought
Who says durability is anything to do with it? also the blood does not necesserily have to pass through skin, it may come through his mouth, his ass.....or other areas connected, blood just sprays out of the target, also durability as I was saying may not be a factor, more magic resistance since its a spell, not TK or some physical attack, its the magic doing it, Kains magic is pretty much infnite in source so technically it would be an impossible magic to resist unless you have a special immunity to it. Then again, the spell is in a way targeting the blood, not the being itself, no beings blood is magic resistant even if they are.

Durability has to be a factor, as it has to break through part of him to make him bleed. Magic resistance? All the spell does is make blood burst from their bodies, being magic is not a viable argument to say it will automatically work on him. Unless the character has an actual weakness to magic, like Superman.

It is targeting blood, which will not be able to go through the skin of certain durable entities.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Isn't the Blades of Olympus more powerful than Soul Reaver, and did Kain ever kill gods?

He "defeated" (not killed) the Elder God with the soul reaver sword, who is far larger (continent sized) and possibly more powerful (instant regen/multiplation of limbs -think Hyrdra only with tentacles-) than any GOW God.

And still, although the AOE blast that Zeus can do with the Blade of Olympus is by miles more powerful in actual damage than the Soul reaver, the reaver gives Kain far far more powerful moves and abilities than the blade gives any who wield it (time control, dimentional movement, Chaos emblem) not to mention in a one on one duel between the blades, the Soul reaver would easily win through.

Also dont forget, the blade can devour souls, much like in GOW Hades hooks can, only thing is, Hades hooks seem to take longer, impalement with the Soul reaver seems to drain their souls instantly.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Only blood would still have to rupture through something because blood does not naturally pass through the ass or mouth, it travels through your heart, arteries, and capillaries.

Durability has to be a factor, as it has to break through part of him to make him bleed. Magic resistance? All the spell does is make blood burst from their bodies, being magic is not a viable argument to say it will automatically work on him. Unless the character has an actual weakness to magic, like Superman.

It is targeting blood, which will not be able to go through the skin of certain durable entities.

meh, nobody could prove that someones innards are just as durable as their skin or face etc, few fictions are that specific as well.

Yes but it doesnt have to pass through the skin, also your forgetting pores and other body areas that something as tiny as a blood vessel could with a spell break forth from, for example someone surviving getting punched in the chest by a 1000 tonner strength giant doesnt mean their cappillaries, vessels, organ lining etc, is as durable or shock resistant as their bones/flesh. Theres so many ways a body could fall apart through having the blood straining against the body anyway, could any of these characters survive a blood clot? or a build up of blood bursting their heart? blood going made to escape through the spell could kill a person without actually escaping the body.

Originally posted by Burning thought

No its not, most of its stated in the actual storyline or in the games information manuels.

Its still an uncanon cheat, so it cant be used.

I never said Kratos would stun dante did I? I never said Kratos was going to have Dante stunned while he does some gameplay button combination which is what it seems your implying Kratos can do to kain...

It just got reflected like a shield, thats not TK because that energy blast is not physical, its energy, also where does it say he used TK on a motarcyle? i never seen that, show me please...

You said the [b]soulreaver was not allowed, not the blood reaver which is diffrent...

The fact their used in gameplay does not include unsuable gameplay mechanics, nor does it mean they are not used in the story elseware.

auto stones? it would take him longer to take out the head and use the short ranged stone power than it would for kain to move his hand. [/B]

Kain ripping out souls is not part of the storyline. Nor is Blood Reaver[?] if so show me proof of a cutscene then.

It's not a cheat like I said[It just replaces Cronos' Rage]. And regardless lighting is lighting. Doesn't matter who it comes from. Poseidon Rage=Lighting comes from The Sea. Cronos' Rage=Lighting from King of Titans. [The only CHEATS are Infinite Magic, Infinite Rage, Turning enemies to stone by hitting them, and that's probably it]

I said lighting couldn't effect him but you didn't pay attention to that.

He pushed the motorcycle back[@1:35] YouTube video [He also had it when Mundus tried to shoot him in the head]

True.

So how could it count if it's not PART of the storyline or he doesn't aquire it in the storyline?

There you go with this BS. Now when it was Kratos stoning Dante it was [once again]a different story. He has to pull the head out? No all he has to do is auto-stone Kain. And no it doesn't take long.

And The Blade would [probably] kill Kain.

I know it isn't my business but this shows Kratos pushing away[or lifting] Atlas' hand[@:29].

YouTube video

[Also The Blade killed an entire army, sealed up all the Titans, killed Athena in 1 blow, has power of Zeus(Gods of Gods), and Kratos(God of War), (And possibly Athena's powers in it). Don't forget it can asorb power making it even more powerful]

Originally posted by Gumachi
Kain ripping out souls is not part of the storyline. Nor is Blood Reaver[?] if so show me proof of a cutscene then.

It's not a cheat like I said[It just replaces Cronos' Rage]. And regardless lighting is lighting. Doesn't matter who it comes from. Poseidon Rage=Lighting comes from The Sea. Cronos' Rage=Lighting from King of Titans. [The only CHEATS are Infinite Magic, Infinite Rage, Turning enemies to stone by hitting them, and that's probably it]

I said lighting couldn't effect him but you didn't pay attention to that.

He pushed the motorcycle back[@1:35] YouTube video [He also had it when Mundus tried to shoot him in the head]

True.

So how could it count if it's not PART of the storyline or he doesn't aquire it in the storyline?

There you go with this BS. Now when it was Kratos stoning Dante it was [once again]a different story. He has to pull the head out? No all he has to do is auto-stone Kain. And no it doesn't take long.

And The Blade would [probably] kill Kain.

lol blood reaver is the sword Kain uses throughout the whole game of LOK defiance lol.....
YouTube video

Its gained exactley the same way as the other cheat urns, their non storyline objects activated only by the player in the options.

And it does matter where it comes from, Cronos rage has a lot shorter range than Kratos' thunder or even Poseidons rage.

because nothing proves lightning wouldnt effect Dante, however the lightnig bolts Kratos throwns do not stun his enemies.

I already answered this..

It counts because its not a gameplay mechanic, something you only see in gameplay such as most of Dantes combos, a lot of Dantes main weapons (especially in older games, in DMC 4 he usually shows his weapons in a cutscene). Some powers we only actually see properly in gameplay, however gameplay mechanics do not count, for example kain surviving 100 sword slashes just because the player is clever is a load of rubbish, same with Dante surviving Saviours blasts, their not counted. other gameplay mechanics are health orbs that increase life in gameplay or infnite ammo.

He would have to get the head out, its not floating next to him and he cant just appear in his hand like in gameplay he would have to ready it, launch its power, aim etc etc....and Dante doesnt have useful abilities he can use consistently and quickly like Kains mist and teleport to escape Euryales rage or flash.

The blade would ony kill Kain in this battle, because youve said at the beginning Kain can die, the real kain without any bounds would win this battle by default of not being able to be destroyed.

Originally posted by Gumachi
I know it isn't my business but this shows Kratos pushing away[or lifting] Atlas' hand[@:29].

YouTube video

[Also The Blade killed an entire army, sealed up all the Titans, killed Athena in 1 blow, has power of Zeus(Gods of Gods), and Kratos(God of War), (And possibly Athena's powers in it). Don't forget it can asorb power making it even more powerful]

Thats neither pushing or doing anything with his hand, thats pushing away a couple of fingers.....Atlas is not even trying either may I add...

The blade in the hands of Zeus did all those things, Kratos has not shown to wield it at the same level, Athena has zero durability feats and most of its powers have been shown at a level below Kains Soul reaver apart form the massive wave ZEUS has done.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Why so? he is mist afterall, the fact its Kain transformed into mist doesnt mean Kain is going to be harmed, you would have to harm the mist. And no, Kains mist isnt exactley normal mist, it embodies his form and is just as heavy as he is otherwise he would have been blown away by a mere breeze wouldnt he...

Yeh but then thats extremely short range and furthermore Kratos in real life out of gameplay would have to pull out a fat Gorgon head which would take more time than Kain moving his hand anyway.

Kratos lifted Atlas' hand? I dont remember that, please show me.

that was just an example of one of his longe range capablites, with which he has many more. the point was that its not going to be as simple as "waving a hand" for kain to win, even if he does at all, which he wont.

He doesnt just "lift" atlas' hand, he stops it from crushing him, but yea i will be glad to show you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6A1KFnqvgI he starts at around 0:50

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol blood reaver is the sword Kain uses throughout the whole game of LOK defiance lol.....
YouTube video

Its gained exactley the same way as the other cheat urns, their non storyline objects activated only by the player in the options.

And it does matter where it comes from, Cronos rage has a lot shorter range than Kratos' thunder or even Poseidons rage.

because nothing proves lightning wouldnt effect Dante, however the lightnig bolts Kratos throwns do not stun his enemies.

I already answered this..

It counts because its not a gameplay mechanic, something you only see in gameplay such as most of Dantes combos, a lot of Dantes main weapons (especially in older games, in DMC 4 he usually shows his weapons in a cutscene). Some powers we only actually see properly in gameplay, however gameplay mechanics do not count, for example kain surviving 100 sword slashes just because the player is clever is a load of rubbish, same with Dante surviving Saviours blasts, their not counted. other gameplay mechanics are health orbs that increase life in gameplay or infnite ammo.

He would have to get the head out, its not floating next to him and he cant just appear in his hand like in [b]gameplay he would have to ready it, launch its power, aim etc etc....and Dante doesnt have useful abilities he can use consistently and quickly like Kains mist and teleport to escape Euryales rage or flash.

The blade would ony kill Kain in this battle, because youve said at the beginning Kain can die, the real kain without any bounds would win this battle by default of not being able to be destroyed.

Thats neither pushing or doing anything with his hand, thats pushing away a couple of fingers.....Atlas is not even trying either may I add...

The blade in the hands of Zeus did all those things, Kratos has not shown to wield it at the same level, Athena has zero durability feats and most of its powers have been shown at a level below Kains Soul reaver apart form the massive wave ZEUS has done. [/B]

So? But is it his main weapons? Like Blades of Chaos/Athena are to Kratos?

True.

But it still target every thing around him. Poseidon's rage spreads out. If he's close he can stun him. And Cronos' Rage spreads out afar also.[Not like Poseidon's Rage but it spreads out]

Alastor(Lighting God)lighting couldn't effect him. Just like Trish's lighting nor the lighting in the cutscene(even if you wouldn't call it a cutscene in gameplay he can get hurt by lighting)

But most of their feats are only used in gameplay.

He wouldn't have to get it out. Because all he has to do is[press up?]and auto-stone him. Getting the head out has nonething to do with him getting stone. So? He can DT out of it. Regardless this wasn't mentioned in Dante vs Kratos. And can Kain do mist outside of gameplay?

Okay? Where does it say he can't die? But you did admit he can die =\

Like I said Atlas was weak, and I even said Atlas could have crushed him. So i'm not gonna argue I was just trying to help k1Lla441 out[kinda].

I never said Kratos did it. I said THE BLADE. Regardless The Blade is in Krato's possesion.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
Yes, harming mist wouldnt be that hard, as he does have cronos' rage to electrify the mist, even tho it may be heavy mist im still sure that the tornadoes could pick it up. long range laser beams from the sword have enough power to break up the mist, he has souls that can fly and harm the mist. Mist is not that hard to harm for kratos, even if it is not normal mist.

that was just an example of one of his longe range capablites, with which he has many more. the point was that its not going to be as simple as "waving a hand" for kain to win, even if he does at all, which he wont.

He doesnt just "lift" atlas' hand, he stops it from crushing him, but yea i will be glad to show you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6A1KFnqvgI he starts at around 0:50

Cronos rage is not an object, judging Kain will be mist and his mist moves at incredible speed, a short range attack like that will be useless, Tornados have the same ablity to pick up the mist as they do Kain, its still not exactley a worthwhile attack especially since the Tornados are slow. Why would souls harm a patch of mist? highly impossible.....

Kain can wave his hand and Kratos is defeated completly, his arms could be bound, his body, and it wouldnt take Kain a second longer to cast a death spell or slash through him with the sword, youve still not given a real reason why Kain cannot wave his hand, unless you think Kratos can summon a spell faster than Kain can wave his hand AND have it hit kain in the process (which he cant).

Just read what I said to Gumachi, its the same thing, first its not his whole hand and second Atlas is barely trying, Kratos cannot lift up the weight of the entire world.

Originally posted by Gumachi
So? But is it his main weapons? Like Blades of Chaos/Athena are to Kratos?

True.

But it still target every thing around him. Poseidon's rage spreads out. If he's close he can stun him. And Cronos' Rage spreads out afar also.[Not like Poseidon's Rage but it spreads out]

Alastor(Lighting God)lighting couldn't effect him. Just like Trish's lighting nor the lighting in the cutscene(even if you wouldn't call it a cutscene in gameplay he can get hurt by lighting)

But most of their feats are only used in gameplay.

He wouldn't have to get it out. Because all he has to do is[press up?]and auto-stone him. Getting the head out has nonething to do with him getting stone. So? He can DT out of it. Regardless this wasn't mentioned in Dante vs Kratos. And can Kain do mist outside of gameplay?

Okay? Where does it say he can't die? But you did admit he can die =\

Like I said Atlas was weak, and I even said Atlas could have crushed him. So i'm not gonna argue I was just trying to help k1Lla441 out[kinda].

I never said Kratos did it. I said THE BLADE. Regardless The Blade is in Krato's possesion.

yes, the only time Kain has the SOUL reaver is at the end of defiance, the rest of the whole game is the Blood reaver

Gameplay is fine for some feats but not gameplay mechanics which are mechanics put in place to make it fun for the player , for example theres certain things you cannot do while in gameplay which the character is obviously capable of.

Alastor is a sword blessed with a lightning demon, there was no real lightning effect and the sword impaling his chest incapaciated him for a long time.

press up? this isnt gameplay were talking about here dude, heavens above...Kratos doesnt press up to pull out his gorgon head in real life, I dont press up to pick up a game off my desk then press circle to place it on my table lol.....this is real life were talking about and he will both have to take out, prepare AND aim the thing, and even then, the moment it fires, Kain could have teleported or turned into mist since his mist form is pretty much instant.

He cant die, its stated many times in the games and besides what can kill a guy who can get up minutes after having his HEART (his a vampire so if you think a while this is more important to him than even a human) AND his soul torn out.....but by the rules of the forum by default characters may not be invulnerable/undefeatable.

Well still.....its irrelvent what the blade does while not in Kratos' hands since its Kratos with the blade VS Kain with the blood reaver.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Cronos rage is not an object, judging Kain will be mist and his mist moves at incredible speed, a short range attack like that will be useless, Tornados have the same ablity to pick up the mist as they do Kain, its still not exactley a worthwhile attack especially since the Tornados are slow. Why would souls harm a patch of mist? highly impossible.....

Kain can wave his hand and Kratos is defeated completly, his arms could be bound, his body, and it wouldnt take Kain a second longer to cast a death spell or slash through him with the sword, youve still not given a real reason why Kain cannot wave his hand, unless you think Kratos can summon a spell faster than Kain can wave his hand AND have it hit kain in the process (which he cant).

Just read what I said to Gumachi, its the same thing, first its not his whole hand and second Atlas is barely trying, Kratos cannot lift up the weight of the entire world.

Cronos' rage would completely cut off kains close and mid range fighting, so now he really only has long range. He doesnt necassarily have to use the tornadoes, the blasts arent peticularly slow themselves.

You say even if kratos knew a spell and used it, that it wouldnt hit kain. What makes you so sure that kain could hit kratos with one of his spells? Since when does kain have perfect aim? I do in the most part believe you, but please show me proof of kain doing a death-defying spell with one wave of his hand.

It doesnt matter if it wasnt his whole hand or he wasnt trying, but the fact is the little force that atlas put on kratos (little force to atlas, not necassarily little) was stronger than any strength feat from kain.
Kratos stopping atlas' hand>>>>>>>>>> Kains greatest strength feat.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
Cronos' rage would completely cut off kains close and mid range fighting, so now he really only has long range. He doesnt necassarily have to use the tornadoes, the blasts arent peticularly slow themselves.

You say even if kratos knew a spell and used it, that it wouldnt hit kain. What makes you so sure that kain could hit kratos with one of his spells? Since when does kain have perfect aim? I do in the most part believe you, but please show me proof of kain doing a death-defying spell with one wave of his hand.

It doesnt matter if it wasnt his whole hand or he wasnt trying, but the fact is the little force that atlas put on kratos (little force to atlas, not necassarily little) was stronger than any strength feat from kain.
Kratos stopping atlas' hand>>>>>>>>>> Kains greatest strength feat.

yeh but its a duration spell and its amount of real damage is pretty much unkown, most of Kains spells are easy to gauge, anyone knows the problems of losing your soul, losing your blood, a blast of lightning but what is Chronos' rage, its not like a natural lightning bolt and ime not sure if its even described in any detail, regardless unless Kratos continually casts it (which he cannot since he does have an energy level in-game which would refelct on magic power in real life) Kratos would have to w8 inside the Cronos rage, not that moving would be much use to him.

The blood shower I spoke of earlier is not really much of an aim spell and their instant casts, heres one of casting speed, a blast of lightning that came out as soon as Kain wished it to and latched onto its target, its not like it could be dodged or escaped:

YouTube video

@5.08

his teleport at the end is fairly quick as well and required no warning or gesture even, combine Mist to create a space between him and Kratos and then teleport and he could be god knows how far away to attempt any type of spell or TK, what chance does Kratos really have especially since most of his spells are fairly obvious and can be avoided.

most of the BO 1 spells are hard to find on video but ill try tomorrow if you want to see some of them, not sure if anyone has shown blood shower but I know theres Kains shield spell on there. Do you also want to see Kains TK? because tbh thats the biggest Kratos destroyer in this match, Kain could remove Kratos' weapons, objects, hell why not steal Euryales head? or some other object, why not the BoO itself.....one wave of his hand and it could be pretty much his.

How could it be a high strength feat when we dont even know the force? we simply dont....we dont know how much force Atlas was putting in, we know instantly he wasnt trying, the fact he was laughing and talking with mockery makes it seem the dude wasnt trying, hell if he was trying you could see the emotion of strain in his face if Kratos was overcoming the titans strength, for all we know he was holding Kratos like a human would hold an ant, gently between his fingers and simply threatening him with light pinches.

Originally posted by Burning thought
yeh but its a duration spell and its amount of real damage is pretty much unkown, most of Kains spells are easy to gauge, anyone knows the problems of losing your soul, losing your blood, a blast of lightning but what is Chronos' rage, its not like a natural lightning bolt and ime not sure if its even described in any detail, regardless unless Kratos continually casts it (which he cannot since he does have an energy level in-game which would refelct on magic power in real life) Kratos would have to w8 inside the Cronos rage, not that moving would be much use to him.

The blood shower I spoke of earlier is not really much of an aim spell and their instant casts, heres one of casting speed, a blast of lightning that came out as soon as Kain wished it to and latched onto its target, its not like it could be dodged or escaped:

YouTube video

@5.08

his teleport at the end is fairly quick as well and required no warning or gesture even, combine Mist to create a space between him and Kratos and then teleport and he could be god knows how far away to attempt any type of spell or TK, what chance does Kratos really have especially since most of his spells are fairly obvious and can be avoided.

most of the BO 1 spells are hard to find on video but ill try tomorrow if you want to see some of them, not sure if anyone has shown blood shower but I know theres Kains shield spell on there. Do you also want to see Kains TK? because tbh thats the biggest Kratos destroyer in this match, Kain could remove Kratos' weapons, objects, hell why not steal Euryales head? or some other object, why not the BoO itself.....one wave of his hand and it could be pretty much his.

How could it be a high strength feat when we dont even know the force? we simply dont....we dont know how much force Atlas was putting in, we know instantly he wasnt trying, the fact he was laughing and talking with mockery makes it seem the dude wasnt trying, hell if he was trying you could see the emotion of strain in his face if Kratos was overcoming the titans strength, for all we know he was holding Kratos like a human would hold an ant, gently between his fingers and simply threatening him with light pinches.

It went from "the range sucks its useless" to " we dont know the real strenght". Its lighting, that locks on. How hard is to judge that lightning hurts? If anything its stronger than normal lightning. It wont take too many casts to do damage, he uses it while kain gets within rage (which will indeed be hard to do) and it stuns him, letting kratos use something else from his arsenal.

There is no proof of that lighting blast "locking on". for all we know he could just have really good aim, and plus the guy he electrified was just standing there. Plus, its not that hard to block, all he has to do is use the golden fleece. kratos has blocked lighting just like that, except in a way more powerful version, from zues. That Lightning was nothing. And the range? how do we know that lighting blast can even go farther than that? i think that cronos' rage actually has farther range than that blast did 🤨

If you want to impress me show me a lightning blast (or some other attack) that has longer range than the one shown above, has proof that it can actually "lock on", or a stronger attack, because the one above is pitiful.

We dont know the exact force, your right. But we do know that What ever force he was applying, even if it was a little, is still a lot of weight. I mean i dont think atlas would hold back that much, he was mad at kratos for what he did in chains of olympus. Still, the point is this: Though atlas wasnt trying his hardest, Kratos stopping atlas from crushing him is still>>>>>> Kains greatest strength feat by miles. Plus, thats only one of his many great strength feats.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
It went from "the range sucks its useless" to " we dont know the real strenght". Its lighting, that locks on. How hard is to judge that lightning hurts? If anything its stronger than normal lightning. It wont take too many casts to do damage, he uses it while kain gets within rage (which will indeed be hard to do) and it stuns him, letting kratos use something else from his arsenal.

There is no proof of that lighting blast "locking on". for all we know he could just have really good aim, and plus the guy he electrified was just standing there. Plus, its not that hard to block, all he has to do is use the golden fleece. kratos has blocked lighting just like that, except in a way more powerful version, from zues. That Lightning was nothing. And the range? how do we know that lighting blast can even go farther than that? i think that cronos' rage actually has farther range than that blast did 🤨

If you want to impress me show me a lightning blast (or some other attack) that has longer range than the one shown above, has proof that it can actually "lock on", or a stronger attack, because the one above is pitiful.

We dont know the exact force, your right. But we do know that What ever force he was applying, even if it was a little, is still a lot of weight. I mean i dont think atlas would hold back that much, he was mad at kratos for what he did in chains of olympus. Still, the point is this: Though atlas wasnt trying his hardest, Kratos stopping atlas from crushing him is still>>>>>> Kains greatest strength feat by miles. Plus, thats only one of his many great strength feats.

But then whats to stop Kain from TKing Kratos out of the Kronos rage area of effect and putting him somewhere else? preferably right in front of him and holds him there?

If you check the rest of the video Kains blast follows Raziel even if he dodges side to side. For most of the other questions, check the rest of the video, mostly before hand.

That attack was simply evidence of locking on and cast speeds, its not a particulary powerful attack but its an example of how the spells in BO and BO 2 work, they dont take ages to cast and most of them lock on.

Heres immolate@ 4:39

YouTube video

It seems the being cannot even move once the spell begins to be cast

heres immolate text:

This Dark Gift allowed Kain to perform the most powerful of unblockable attacks. It incinerated any enemy. The Sarafan Lord was the only individual who was seen to survive this attack. Kain could not use Immolate unless his rage meter was completely full.

Pretty much it incinerated its foes and could one shot almost any enemy but thats gameplay, what you need to ask yourself is if Kratos can survive being incinerated inside and out or an attack that can do this:

YouTube video

@1.20, he shatters statues with immolate, I doubt Kratos could survive the same, especially more than once AND the burning effect

also read through these spells, youve got to take into account Kains accuracy is not a quesion since he can TK kratos to keep him still for the killing blow not that large and slow Kratos is hard to hit, even an American with a machinegun would score a hit:

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php

But its not, not until you can prove the actual strength Atlas put into pushing on Kratos, Altas' strength at lifting up the world is in the use of the full strength of all his arms, pushing lightly on kratos with only two of his fingers could simply be no heavier on Kratos than lifting up pillars and rock.

Kain (probably) wins. He probably could take The Blade of Olympus from Kratos (possibly) and chop his head off.

Originally posted by Burning thought
He cant die, its stated many times in the games and besides what can kill a guy who can get up minutes after having his [b]HEART (his a vampire so if you think a while this is more important to him than even a human) AND his soul torn out.....but by the rules of the forum by default characters may not be invulnerable/undefeatable.[/B]

Okay, when was it stated "many times"? He said Raziel holds the weapon that can KILL HIM. He never got a minutes, he was knocked out cold for a while. Hell, it could have been hours.

Many times, ime too lazy to go and find them when the one where he gets his heart ripped out is a good enough example. The only reason Kain said that was because Raziel and Kain were under the impression they were destined to fight, this was confirmed to be wrong later in the game.

Hours? impossible, he was tossed into the demon dimension filled with demons who want to rip him asunder, it would be impossible for him to be in there longer than a minute or so.

So? It didn't take Raziel " a minute" to just get to Janos, now did it? He was k.o.ed for a while.

Whos saying Kain woke up after Raziel got to Janos? as you should know, the game is split up as diffrent parts of a story, not necesserily one after the other. You see Raziels part of the story which is going to Janos and then you see Kains, whch is waking up in the demon dimension. Its not necesserily happeing at the same time.

Well, we can only assume.

I wonder can Kain live without a head? Maybe he can?

His heart is more important to him than his head, so he should be able to, although I think its more likely whatever is supposed to take off his head, is going to fail.

Either he will or he won't 😛