Originally posted by Terryc250
Well i read this from the other thread
I have no idea where that person took that info from, but I know that Archimonde's paramount spell couldn't hold an overgrown stag pinned. Kil'jaeden is more powerful than Archimonde, yes, but not by a very big margin. Sargeras does the planet busting, not KJ or Archimonde.
PS: Kil'jaeden seems to be the flavor of the week!
Originally posted by Terryc250
Where would he get a meteor from? Unless he can use the NL to summon one, he isn't going to be using one which takes like a month to hit the planet anyway.So what is Kil'jaeden's greatest powers and abilities?
That was only one test. For all we know, he can summon more than one in less than a month. Still say Seph though, to many abilities.
Originally posted by Terryc250 So what is Kil'jaeden's greatest powers and abilities? [/B]
Actually, Kil'jaeden's powers and abilities are barely ever directly mentioned, but they are widely inferred to.
Here:
"Kil'jaeden the Deceiver is a powerful eredar demon lord and is the acting leader of the Burning Legion. Selected twenty-five thousand years ago as the chief lieutenant of Sargeras, he was ranked above the now-deceased demon lord, Archimonde.W3Man 93 S&L 60, 154"
Then...
"<...>and his rank within the Legion and the eredar are listed as higher than Archimonde's. Even prior to the eredar's transformation, Velen acknowledged that Kil'jaeden was his, as well as Archimonde's, superior in matters of the arcane."
Leads us to...
"Preeminence in eredar warlock society depends almost entirely upon magical power. Those who command the greatest selection of paramount spells - and thus in theory the greatest magical arsenal - rise to higher ranks. Those whose arcane abilities top out at such pitiful cantrips as wish and shapechange are grunts and lackeys, scarcely worthy of notice."
So yeah, we can make a safe and a logical assumption that he can do what Archimonde can do, just on a grander scale and more...
(Those numbers are references to Warcraft books. I also bolded the important parts)
So we have 2 characters who's full powers are unknown, great. We don't know much about Sephiroth other then he's stated above everyone in the FF7 world including Chaos Vincent who could smack the planet quaking it and send ripples down the planet, Minerva who is the conciousness of the planets lifestream its self.
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
That was only one test. For all we know, he can summon more than one in less than a month. Still say Seph though, to many abilities.
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
That was only one test. For all we know, he can summon more than one in less than a month. Still say Seph though, to many abilities.
I must admit that I don't know very much about FF characters... not very much at all, as a matter of fact. However, this Sephiroth would be forced to do a much, much better job than in that fight against Cloud(the video that Terryc linked in the other thread) if he would to have hope at even scratching Kil'Jaeden.
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
Seph could have killed Cloud if he wanted to, everyone knows that.
Hehe, yeah, he should've just stabbed him through the heart instead of the shoulder. But they fought as equals for the major part.
(Pity I had no idea what they were talking about during the fight... all in Japanese or something)
In the Sephiroth vs Cloud video, Sephiroth didn't use any of his abilities or even exert himself in the fight.
But a few of his feats are:
Infecting the lifestream
Creating a plague
Holding back a power capable of wrecking the planet
Taking over the Jenova entity
Resisting Death
Reforming his body
Creating life
Also his Jenova abilities have been shown/stated to beable to:
Mindread
Shapeshift
Infect
Fly
Superspeed
Superstrength
Intangeablity
Teleport
Telepathy
Powerful Telekinesis
Regenerate
Will himself back into existence
Absorb life energy
off the top of my head
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Actually, Kil'jaeden's powers and abilities are barely ever directly mentioned, but they are widely inferred to.Here:
.W3Man 93 S&L 60, 154"
"Kil'jaeden the Deceiver is a powerful eredar demon lord and is the acting leader of the Burning Legion. Selected twenty-five thousand years ago as the chief lieutenant of Sargeras, [B]he was ranked above the now-deceased demon lord, ArchimondeThen...
"<...>and his rank within the Legion and the eredar are listed as higher than Archimonde's. Even prior to the eredar's transformation, Velen acknowledged that Kil'jaeden was his, as well as Archimonde's, superior in matters of the arcane."Leads us to...
"Preeminence in eredar warlock society depends almost entirely upon magical power. Those who command the greatest selection of paramount spells - and thus in theory the greatest magical arsenal - rise to higher ranks. Those whose arcane abilities top out at such pitiful cantrips as wish and shapechange are grunts and lackeys, scarcely worthy of notice."So yeah, we can make a safe and a logical assumption that he can do what Archimonde can do, just on a grander scale and more...
(Those numbers are references to Warcraft books. I also bolded the important parts) [/B]
The exact powers at the Deceiver's command are unknown. As his ultimatum to Illidan and his appearance to Ner'zhul and the orcs exemplifies, he is a master of illusions. Kil'jaeden has also shown ability to control his overall size (an ability shared by Archimonde), but that may not be the limit to his shapeshifting abilities. Though these are the only powers observed in recent years, assuming that these cantrips are the limits of his power is a grave mistake. He is credited with enslaving the Dreadlords, a feat that would have required immense cunning and awesome magic, and his rank within the Legion and the eredar are listed as higher than Archimonde's. Even prior to the eredar's transformation, Velen acknowledged that Kil'jaeden was his, as well as Archimonde's, superior in matters of the arcane.
However, Kil'jaeden's full powers lie not within the boundaries of physical and magical ability, but in the mind. His unrivaled cunning placed him first in position in the ranks of the Burning Legion, and so aptly gave him the title of the Deceiver. He managed the corruption of the orcs with very little magical expenditure, a plan executed almost entirely by manipulation.
Let us now combine a very strong part of these two texts:
a feat that would have required immense cunning
Kil'jaeden's full powers lie not within the boundaries of physical and magical ability, but in the mind
And then add:
His unrivaled cunning placed him first in position in the ranks of the Burning Legion, and so aptly gave him the title of the Deceiver. He managed the corruption of the orcs with very little magical expenditure, a plan executed almost entirely by manipulation.
Lets not forget the Orc clans was scattered before his arrival and it was considered impossible to have them united. He did not just unite, but lead them to victory. And just to make sure it does not go forgotten:
Even prior to the eredar's transformation, Velen acknowledged that Kil'jaeden was his, as well as Archimonde's, superior in matters of the arcane.
Velen already back then was immensely powerful, and still acknowledged him as more powerful. Furthermore, this was before Sargeras blessed him with infinite power.
Velen is not exactly known as being wrong. And let's not forget the already brought up subject revolving the mastery of Paramount spells. Paramount as few might know means "Above All" and is the highest level of magic there is. Lesser levels of magics has blown planets to shredds and crumbled mountains. Archimonde with the usage of Paramount crumbled Dalaran with a swipe, which was shielded by not only the chantings of the Kirin Tor, but which had actually recieved the shielding of the Guardians.
Which leads us further into the depths of the power: Deathwing stated that Medivh was the most powerful mage to have ever lived, and he had taken part of the Dalaran shielding. This was Archimonde's deed, who's the least powerful of him and Kil'Jaeden.
So saying that Paramount would be world-busting is not only accurate, but it is only the start of what one such as Kil'Jaeden can deliver.
Now, let us not forget that he also created Lich King, who formerly was the genious shaman and warlock Ner'Zhul. Although Ner'Zhul was the genious his was, Kil'Jaedens spell still allowed Ner'Zhuls mind to expand TENTHOUSANDFOLD. This is no overestimation, as it is officially stated. Now, Lich King is one of the most powerful entities in the universe. By Blizzard's words, "One of the most powerful entities on Azeroth was born"
Originally posted by Terryc250
In the Sephiroth vs Cloud video, Sephiroth didn't use any of his abilities or even exert himself in the fight.But a few of his feats are:
Infecting the lifestream
Creating a plague
Holding back a power capable of wrecking the planet
Taking over the Jenova entity
Resisting Death
Reforming his body
Creating lifeAlso his Jenova abilities have been shown/stated to beable to:
Mindread
Shapeshift
Infect
Fly
Superspeed
Superstrength
Intangeablity
Teleport
Telepathy
Powerful Telekinesis
Regenerate
Will himself back into existence
Absorb life energyoff the top of my head
If you cut away from the list:
- Infecting the lifestream
- Will himself back into existence
- Reforming his body
- Taking over the Jenova entity
- Holding back a power capable of wrecking the planet (Dont know what he did, so we'll cut this as well)
You have listed there a portion of Kil'Jaedens powers. That is:
Creating a plague
Resisting Death
Creating life
Mindread
Shapeshift
Infect
Fly
Superspeed
Superstrength
Intangeablity
Teleport
Telepathy
Powerful Telekinesis
Regenerate
Absorb life energy
And add a few hundred more abilities to Kil'Jaedens disposal. By narrator's words, Kil'Jaeden was blessed with unlimited magic.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I have no idea where that person took that info from, but I know that Archimonde's paramount spell couldn't hold an overgrown stag pinned. Kil'jaeden is more powerful than Archimonde, yes, but not by a very big margin. Sargeras does the planet busting, not KJ or Archimonde.PS: Kil'jaeden seems to be the flavor of the week!
Logic pretty much a simple Eredar Warlock can lay waste to a entire planet and in a sociaty were the hierarchy is determined entirely from the magical power wielded and Kil'Jaeden being the leader well...
But just read LK's post it's much more indept.
An Eredar warlock of Kil'jaeden's or Archimonde's power can definitely lay waste to a whole planet. There is a difference between laying waste to and destroying a planet completely. Low-ranking Eredar warlocks, for example, got killed quite easily by Rhonin, Krasus, Illidan and even those Moon Guard suckers. They're nothing special.
Having said that, Kil'Jaeden would've likely killed Cloud, Sephiroth and everyone else in that city with a good 'Darkness of a Thousand Souls'.