Sort of, but the buildings in the city in which Cloud and Sephiroth fought are pretty damn big. Also, we don't really know what are the limits of Kil'jaeden's shapeshifting abilities(e.g. just how far can he increase his size/mass?)
Not to say that his vast magical might couldn't turn that city and its inhabitants into ash in minutes, though.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
An Eredar warlock of Kil'jaeden's or Archimonde's power can definitely lay waste to a whole planet. There is a difference between laying waste to and destroying a planet completely. Low-ranking Eredar warlocks, for example, got killed quite easily by Rhonin, Krasus, Illidan and even those Moon Guard suckers. They're nothing special.Having said that, Kil'Jaeden would've likely killed Cloud, Sephiroth and everyone else in that city with a good 'Darkness of a Thousand Souls'.
I don't think you quiet understand the level of power the Paramount spells grant the Eredar Warlocks. A ordinary Eredar Warlock can with the right amount of time summon forth a spell called cittering death which slow march destroys continents with ease. And the Moon Guard too got owned with ease by a Warlock he simply twiched his finges and the cape that the Moon Guard wore closed around and pressed him into nothing, Illidan then needed the rest of the Moon Guard to break through the defenses that the Eredar Warlock had.
Most likely yes, and that was just a weakened version.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Sort of, but the buildings in the city in which Cloud and Sephiroth fought are pretty damn big. Also, we don't really know what are the limits of Kil'jaeden's shapeshifting abilities(e.g. just how far can he increase his size/mass?)Not to say that his vast magical might couldn't turn that city and its inhabitants into ash in minutes, though.
We know as a minimum that Kil'Jaeden dwarves Draenor mountains. There's the "minimum" maximum height of his shapeshifting. Given how tall Archimonde could turn, I'm fairly certain that not even what we see in the image below is the limit of his size.
Minutes? Seconds. Look what Archimonde did to Dalaran, and it was incredibly shielded by magical barriers. In this video, he even took a fair amount of unecessary pauses and not to be forgotten is still far weaker than Kil'Jaeden in the ways of the arcane.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I don't think you quiet understand the level of power the Paramount spells grant the Eredar Warlocks. A ordinary Eredar Warlock can with the right amount of time summon forth a spell called cittering death which slow march destroys continents with ease. And the Moon Guard too got owned with ease by a Warlock he simply twiched his finges and the cape that the Moon Guard wore closed around and pressed him into nothing, Illidan then needed the rest of the Moon Guard to break through the defenses that the Eredar Warlock had.Most likely yes, and that was just a weakened version.
I find a quote by Anduin Lothar suitable for this text of yours:
- "An ostler has a mood and he kicks the dog. A mage has his moods and a town disappears"
It was stated earlier in the same epoch that a single spell by not even the strongest of mages can have entire landscapes vanish. Now, we are talking about a race dedicated in magical power, rumored the most powerful magical race in the universe and that master not only the Paramount spell, but does so with the blessing of the Burning Legion, under rule of the most powerful entity in the universe (Whom's rather generous with giving out power)
ok, im thinking kil'jaeden, because of what he is capable of, like creating the lich king who is insanely powerful, and the fact taht he is more powerful than Archimonde, and he destroyed that city by drawin in the sand, but its hard to compare the 2, cuz in ff games they use a lot of symbology in the attacks, like in the fight against seph he summons a meteor and destroys the sun and the explosion hits earth....yeah, little overboard, so we dont really have a clear view of what seph is capable of, kil'jeaden was killed by a 25 man raid and some dragons, altho they were crazy powerful dragons, i dont know, ill stick with my original answer kil'jaeden
Originally posted by niduin
kil'jeaden was killed by a 25 man raid and some dragons, altho they were crazy powerful dragons, i dont know, ill stick with my original answer kil'jaeden
Important correction: Kil'Jaeden was not killed. He was thrown back into the portal thanks to Anveena, the dragons and the heroes. He is very much alive.
This match up is almost pointless, and subsequently ends with a draw, because both characters have never shown their true potential. So theoretically we don't even "know" how powerful they are within the first place anyhow.
I don't know much about Kil'jaeden so I won't argue within this thread, however Chaos Vincent who sent a blast that basically rippled the entire FFVII planet, and yet Sephiroth is stated to be even more powerful then Chaos Vincent himself. I'm just curious because if Sephiroth has even greater potential then that, does Kil'jaeden have anything that would be on par to what Chaos Vincent did in DoC?
I'm not trying to be biased here, I just would like to know more details of Kil's abilities other then a few short statements.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Stupidity on the part of the writer's.
Hardly stupidity on the "writers" parts, since Sephiroth never displayed his full abilities, since he's done things that only Chaos Vincent could dream of (staying alive through his will even without a body is one of them), the mere fact that his wealth and knowledge of the lifestream itself would have greatly surpassed every powerful entity within the VII Universe would easily put him heads and shoulders above everyone. I kind of find it strange that people think that the only form of great power is the ability to "destroy things" (not saying this directly to you Thunder).
How could you possibly disagree with the writers at this point?
Originally posted by Burning thoughtHe knows stuff about the Lifestream.
Justframe brings an interesting point, when they say no being is more powerful than sephiroth ,or stronger.....its also considred that "knowledge" is also power, and thus perhaps he knows far more than them.
So does Bugenhagen, who arguably knows more about the Lifestream than anyone, yet he is just a feeble old man.
Who gives a shit about Sephiroth's "knowledge?"