X-Men Amalgam vs Thor

Originally posted by Starscream M
I don't remember what issue, but every time I've seen Thor engage Hulk, its always been a tough drawnout battle where Hulk is the more physically powerful being and thor the more versatile one

Ah that seems fair when you consider how their latter battles have turned out.
In Avengers v1 #3, Hulk couldn't pluck Mljonir from Thor's hand, however Thor did let go and said he doesn't want to play power games and that his wrist hurt I think...I'll have to go and re-check. Namor was grappling with Thor and did pretty well against the Hulk in the first half of the comic.(He fought the Hulk near water and Thor away from it.)
Hulk also wrapped Thor in wire but after that bout Thor said everyone was holding back and that if they wanted to take Hulk down they would have to stop doing that. Thor then stated before their fight with Namor and Hulk that they wouldn't be holding back and well Namor and the Hulk did pretty well considering.

Originally posted by Starscream M
we also debate characters with CIS on...ie Superman doesn't instantly lobotomize his foes with heat vision...even though he has the powerset necessary

people fight in character unless stated otherwise...so you can't make characters do things they rarely ever do in comics

also, I never stated it was viable for XMA to teleport thor's head off or any such thing because it wouldn't be in character for nightcrawler to ever do such a tactic

This is an amalgamation, whoose to say he would be fighting in character for Nightcrawler? It's entirely possible that he would be fighting in character as Wolverine or even Emma, which would make teleporting a head off totally in character and a viable attack.

I mean why give him Wolverine's claws and fighting ability and then handi-cap him by making him fight in character for Nightcrawler or Scott? It don't make sense.

Originally posted by tdazz
This is an amalgamation, whoose to say he would be fighting in character for Nightcrawler? It's entirely possible that he would be fighting in character as Wolverine or even Emma, which would make teleporting a head off totally in character and a viable attack.

I mean why give him Wolverine's claws and fighting ability and then handi-cap him by making him fight in character for Nightcrawler or Scott? It don't make sense.

btw, I should've specified that XMA has logan's personality since he has his skills

Like I said way back when, Teleportation FTW or Claws in Thor FTW.

Either way Thor can not counter such tactics.

It's not like the X-men are that amazing, in this scenario they have unique tactical advantage against Thor and there is nothing Thor can do about it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
so I guess nobody under skyfather could beat thor then...he could just rain down thousands of lightning bolts all day long huh...just like he does in comics...oh wait, he doesn't.

Huh? What are u even talking about? so thor reigning down lightning bolts means that no character under skyfather can beat him? Seriously 😱 Thats just retarded/ Also thor has no problems using his weather powers during his fights, He has done it numerous times so it would be within his character.

I think Logan would, considering he knows he is fighting a fomidable foe like Thor. Yes, it may not be the 1st move he does but I can see LOgan doing it if necessar, i'm just talking about the head. I see logan very willingly take off limbs to seriously hurt Thor 1st before he decided to instantly kill thor with the head teleport.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Like I said way back when, Teleportation FTW or Claws in Thor FTW.

Either way Thor can not counter such tactics.

It's not like the X-men are that amazing, in this scenario they have unique tactical advantage against Thor and there is nothing Thor can do about it.

Not when he gets floored with lightning. Again which beings that NC has teleported there limbs off that have thor level durability?

Originally posted by Naija boy
Huh? What are u even talking about? so thor reigning down lightning bolts means that no character under skyfather can beat him? Seriously 😱 Thats just retarded/ Also thor has no problems using his weather powers during his fights, He has done it numerous times so it would be within his character.

Originally posted by Starscream M
so the juggernaut is the only being that's fought Thor?

how about Hulk

also on KMC, the consensus (including many Thor fans), aknowledge that Superman would beat Thor...guess they aren't aware of the lightning

This is just nonsense. There is no such consensus.

Originally posted by Starscream M
i really don't think its in character for any of the xmen to teleport someone's head off...logan wouldn't do that to thor unless he was near death or something drastic like that.

btw, I should've specified that XMA has logan's personality since he has his skills

Logan kills without hesitation, I fail to see that teleporting his head off would be out of character, especially if this is a fight to the finish.

However even if you rule that out I still see multiple teleportation attacks combined with claw slashes resulting in Thor getting decapitated.

Originally posted by Starscream M
if thor rains down lightning like you said where his opponent doesn't even have space to move, who could beat him? (besides juggernaut)

Any high herald level characters who would have the durability to be largely unaffected by the lightning obviously. Silver surfer, superman, Genis and probablyy the rest of the high herald class etc would all still be able to take him on evenly. Also note its not just lightning, but lightning coupled with winds and other weather effects. This amalagam has a relatively low strength and durability level so its not that it wont be able to move, its that it wont be able to mount a useful offense due to the damage it will be taking.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Any high herald level characters who would have the durability to be largely unaffected by the lightning obviously. Silver surfer, superman, Genis and probablyy the rest of the high herald class etc would all still be able to take him on evenly. Also note its not just lightning, but lightning coupled with winds and other weather effects. This amalagam has a relatively low strength and durability level so its not that it wont be able to move, its that it wont be able to mount a useful offense due to the damage it will be taking.

First off, I don't think Thor will get the chance to summon so much lighting. If that his 1st move to throw down a crazy amount of lighting then it would be just as likely for the XMA to teleport his head off. Because, with that much lighting I don't think the XMA will withstand it. So Logan would put a stop to that before it gets out of hand. So he wouldn't have to withstand a barrage of lighting bolts in this scenario.

Relatively low strength and Durability to thor I do agree but.. Thor is not going to one shot this XMA. Col has taken blows from Gladiator and stood (low showing for glads, but amazing showing for col) So the durability shouldn't be a terrible drawback. Again, i'm not saying he can just take a beat down from Thor and get up i'm just saying the XMA does not have a frail body.

If the XMA for some reason isn't using the claws, thor is going to feel Col's punches, might not be devastating but its gonna hurt. Also with Logan's skills, he would be able to easliy dodge and counter thor. Yeha I know thor has been fighting for a while. But I don't think he would be able to out MA wolverine with Col's class strength. Anyway the XMA will be able to defend himself in a punch out, but not win (assuming the XMA fights like a complete idiot).

Add claws to teh fight, XMA will cut Thor up real bad, he is not durable enough to withstand the claws from wolverine much less a wolverine with Col's strength behind it.

The XMA offensive capability is enough to put away Thor.

Lastly there is always the Telepathic attack. Hell, the XMA can mind rape him FTW. Even if Emma is not strong enough to beat him that way, I still believe her powers are great enough to distract thor. Thor will lose in many ways.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
First off, I don't think Thor will get the chance to summon so much lighting. If that his 1st move to throw down a crazy amount of lighting then it would be just as likely for the XMA to teleport his head off. Because, with that much lighting I don't think the XMA will withstand it. So Logan would put a stop to that before it gets out of hand. So he wouldn't have to withstand a barrage of lighting bolts in this scenario.

Relatively low strength and Durability to thor I do agree but.. Thor is not going to one shot this XMA. Col has taken blows from Gladiator and stood (low showing for glads, but amazing showing for col) So the durability shouldn't be a terrible drawback. Again, i'm not saying he can just take a beat down from Thor and get up i'm just saying the XMA does not have a frail body.

If the XMA for some reason isn't using the claws, thor is going to feel Col's punches, might not be devastating but its gonna hurt. Also with Logan's skills, he would be able to easliy dodge and counter thor. Yeha I know thor has been fighting for a while. But I don't think he would be able to out MA wolverine with Col's class strength. Anyway the XMA will be able to defend himself in a punch out, but not win (assuming the XMA fights like a complete idiot).

Add claws to teh fight, XMA will tag Thor so much I don't think he will live, he is not durable enough to withsatdn the claws from wolverine much less a wolverine with Col's strength behind it.

The XMA offensive capability is enough to put away Thor.

Lastly there is always the Telepathic attack. Hell, the XMA can mind rape him FTW. Even if Emma is not strong enough to beat him that way, I still believe her powers are great enough to distract thor. Thor will lose in many ways.

Why wont thor get the chance to use his wind and lightning? It is the easiest part of his powers to use. Also As i said, whose limbs has NC teleported off with comparable durability to thor? I doubt it will work.
With all the wind and lightning providing cover for thor, getting in close will be very difficult.

I understand that the XMA doesnt have a frail body. But with all the wind and lightning around, getting close to thor will be difficult as it will be taking alot of damage. Also an antiforce blast or a particularly powerful lightning bolt will be able KO the XMA.

The way i see thor winning is through close range fighting but instead using his numerous ranged attacks. Thor can take down the XMA with a few good shots or even one particularly powerful shot. By making it difficult to get near him, he would greatly nullify the XMA's offence. While not completely immune to telepathy, thor has fought it off before and i think it will be rather difficult to pull off a mindrape when thor makes the environment so dangerous.

While i do agree that the XMA can put away thor, i think thor has got the powers to munt a good defence and take it out.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
But that's the thing, Scott's beams aren't energy, they're concussive force. I'm not an expert in the comic physics and stuff but correct me if I'm wrong but aren't energy beams and concussive force/beams two different things?

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Originally posted by beast1234
Thor still take this. Thor a planet buster

In what story arc did Thor destroy a planet?

Amalgam uses Nightcrawlers teleportation power, teleports next to Thor, uses Colossus strength, Wolverine's skills (as in how to throw a fast punch) and claws and decapitates Thor.

I'm not saying it's the only possible scenario, but that's how I would do it.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
But that's the thing, Scott's beams aren't energy, they're concussive force.

barker

What the ****? 😆

they are energy beams OF concussive force.

I recall Stormbreaker being equal to Mjolnir. and Bill did destroy a planet with it. So you could claim Thor has planet smashing power based on that. But perhaps he actually has destroyed a planet.

Originally posted by Naija boy
While not completely immune to telepathy, thor has fought it off before and i think it will be rather difficult to pull off a mindrape when thor makes the environment so dangerous.

It's very inconsistent thus a Psi-Attack at the start(Should occur first) could go either way. At the very least keep him unfocused/off balance.

I can only speak for Classic Thor but you have Bedlam (Twice), Enchantress, Moondragon, Morgan La Fey(Several Times), Dr Spectrum and Lorlei(Aided by Loki's magic) mind f*ck him vs. him resisting Dromedans mind control which is impressive but he said it himself, he would have succumbed if had he been exposed to it any longer. (There should be a few others, but this is one of his better ones, if not his best IRRC.)

Odin-Force/Current Thor no comment. 😐