Originally posted by ExodusCloak
A lot of the Exemplars are powered by their emotions towards a motive so they don't access the full power of the Demon God much like Cain.
I think when Bedlam communicates she fries the mind(She was a mute wasn't she?) but didn't Xavier wallop her as well? And help set Thor, Spiderman and Iron Man free from her grasp? I haven't looked at it in a while.
Thor has been able to fight off mind control on occasion in the past which on the flip side is actually pretty effective against him when you try to make him take his pants off.Having his biological functions mentally frozen seemed to work though on that occasion.
Can you think of any times where he's fought off that kind of telepathic attack before? I think Onslaught mind froze him as well and did he fight that Space Alien thing that fought Moondragon in Annihilation Conquest? (Xemnu??)I can't think of his name off the top of my head but he's quite famous for using psionic blasts.
I know that a a mild psionic blast managed to throw Beta Ray Bill off guard and once BRB shrugged it off it left him open to a punch from another Avengers alternate reality guy in Thor Corps #3
Again Thor has very, very inconsistent showings regarding telepathy. Yes he's fought mind control off in the past but he's been taken down by it a lot of times. Same with other aspects of telepathy...I'm not saying he's going down everytime but he's not going to be saved from it every single time.
Xavier didnt really ever beta bedlam. He suprised her while she had a hold of thor spiderman and ironmans mind allowing them to be free but even later own she easily overwhelmed his astral form.
Most of the people i can remeber that have really messed up thor mentally i believe are above emma.
I agree that he is not immune to it but he has shown the ability to fight it off better than a person with absolutely no resistance to it.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Xavier didnt really ever beta bedlam. He suprised her while she had a hold of thor spiderman and ironmans mind allowing them to be free but even later own she easily overwhelmed his astral form.Most of the people i can remeber that have really messed up thor mentally i believe are above emma.
I agree that he is not immune to it but he has shown the ability to fight it off better than a person with absolutely no resistance to it.
That's fair except in telepathy skill trumps power most of the time and Emma is very skilled. I wouldn't say Dr. Spectrum is above Emma though in telepathy. And I don't think Moondragon had the mind gem when she did that to Thor but I don't remember if she was still under the influence(Amped) by the Dragon of the Moon and I would say an unamped by the Dragon of the Moon and no Mind Gem Moondragon is not above Emma feat wise.
The rest would be above Emma due to their Extra Powers magic, durability, super strength, energy manipulation etc...I wouldn't say their telepathy is above Emma or Xavier though in fact feat wise one could argue the opposite in pure telepathy in terms of feats.(Xavier has interplanatery/intergalactic telepathy depending on how you interpret the scan. It's him using his powers to contact the Stranger in another galaxy from Earth with no aid and Emma has blocked Exodus and Mr. Sinister from using their powers from halfway across the world with no aid and navigating through 8 Billions minds to locate Rogue's with no aid. Taking on 7 Skrull Telepaths who were trained to fight the X-telepaths, amped by 7 Cerebra-like machines who were blocking all Global telepathy and beating them quite quickly. She was severed from her body like the Shadow King when she did this)
And Dromedan is about equal to pre-upgrade Xavier in terms of pure telepathy.
Again yes he can fight mind control off and his physical durability can help him shrug off psi-blasts of energy but I don't believe he's shown any protection to someone freezing his motor functions and I've seen it work it before same with mind control.
When it comes to telepathy it's a toss up due to how inconsistent Thor is. Classic Thor anyway.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
That's fair except in telepathy skill trumps power most of the time and Emma is very skilled. I wouldn't say Dr. Spectrum is above Emma though in telepathy. And I don't think Moondragon had the mind gem when she did that to Thor but I don't remember if she was still under the influence(Amped) by the Dragon of the Moon and I would say an unamped by the Dragon of the Moon and no Mind Gem Moondragon is not above Emma feat wise.
The rest would be above Emma due to their Extra Powers magic, durability, super strength, energy manipulation etc...I wouldn't say their telepathy is above Emma or Xavier though in fact feat wise one could argue the opposite in pure telepathy in terms of feats.(Xavier has interplanatery/intergalactic telepathy depending on how you interpret the scan. It's him using his powers to contact the Stranger in another galaxy from Earth with no aid and Emma has blocked Exodus and Mr. Sinister from using their powers from halfway across the world with no aid.)Again yes he can fight mind control off and his physical durability can help him shrug off psi-blasts of energy but I don't believe he's shown any protection to someone freezing his motor functions and I've seen it work it before same with mind control.
When it comes to telepathy it's a toss up due to how inconsistent Thor.
Well im not to sure of the exact circumstances of the moon dragon incident either though ill check if i have the comic. The others though i believe would be above emma because of their higher overall powerlevels which imo would mean they are superior though i do admit that those are some impressive feats.
As for the motor function freezing, ive never seen anyone do it aside bedlam who should be quite some way above emma so im not sure it would work.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Well im not to sure of the exact circumstances of the moon dragon incident either though ill check if i have the comic. The others though i believe would be above emma because of their higher overall powerlevels which imo would mean they are superior though i do admit that those are some impressive feats.As for the motor function freezing, ive never seen anyone do it aside bedlam who should be quite some way above emma so im not sure it would work.
I can accept that, it's quite possible that the others even though they don't have the on panel telepathic feats to back(Mainly because they don't need to rely on their telepathic powers) it up are superior teelpathically due to their high powersets and status well barring Dr. Spectrum who I don't believe is.
On a side note though mutant telepathy vs. Eternal telepathy is not that much of a difference in fact Pre-Upgrade Xavier is about equal to Dromedan and Exodus was superior to Thena.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I can accept that, it's quite possible that the others even though they don't have the on panel telepathic feats to back it up are superior due to their high powersets and status well barring Dr. Spectrum who I don't believe is.On a side note though mutant telepathy vs. Eternal telepathy is not that much of a difference in fact Pre-Upgrade Xavier is about equal to Dromedan and Exodus was superior to Thena.
cheers
And is that xavier feat in his respect thread?, cuz ive been arguing with some guys over Xavier vs MM telepathwise and i think it mght be useful
Originally posted by Naija boy
cheersAnd is that xavier feat in his respect thread?, cuz ive been arguing with some guys over Xavier vs MM telepathwise and i think it mght be useful
Meh MM is good when he needs to be and very, very bad when the plot requires him to be.
I added it there a while back. There's also the feat where he links with 8 billion Skrull Minds from a Skrull moon with no aid and there's another one which Xmarksthespot posted where projects his thoughts through space and links with the inhabitants of a nearby planet so he can form a psychic spear and that's used by a mutant Skrull to hurt Ego the living planet.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Meh MM is good when he needs to be and very, very bad when the plot requires him to be.
I added it there a while back. There's also the feat where he links with 8 billion Skrull Minds from a Skrull moon with no aid and there's another one which Xmarksthespot posted where projects his thoughts through space and links with the inhabitants of a nearby planet so he can form a psychic spear and that's used by a mutant Skrull to hurt Ego the living planet.
Is the ego feat feats from the maximum security arc? cuz i think i might even have the comic