Originally posted by Sado22
of course he can! when was the last time Joker could fight anyway? the guy had this ONE PIS-RIDDEN incident where he turned around and fought Batman. but aside from that he's always been a wimp.
... ah, yes, Sado. Didn't we already go through this "Joker is a wimp" notion when we debated Joker vs. Punisher?
Even if we through scenes from the film, he's definitely not. As thus:
1. Displays reflexes, strength, and even potential martial arts skill when he twists a physically imposing thug's arm behind his back and slams his head, directly so his eye sticks into a pencil.
2. With the help of his thugs, manages to hold Batman off for a bit and even injures him, when he stabs him with a knife emerging from his boot.
3. Displays absolute resistance and immunity to pain when Batman beats on him during the interrogation scene. In fact, he laughs and displays a masochistic pleasure at being hit with Batman's full strength, which includes slamming him into a window with enough force to crack it.
4. Beats and takes control of a police officer who was sent to guard him (knowing the Joker's danger level, this would imply that his guard had to be well-trained). Note; taking control of your opponent is more difficult than just beating them into submission.
5. This is a minor one, but when Harvey is in the hospital, Joker releases him from his restraints. Harvey attempts to grab him. Joker, with no apparent effort, restrains him and stops him from moving.
6. Yeah, as you can clearly see from the above mentioned posts, the final fight is not PIS. In fact, there is absolutely nothing to suggest it is PIS. Using trickery and preparation, Joker manages to attack Batman with enough force to stop him from launching a sufficient counterattack. All while not trying to kill him.
Not saying he's the best fighter ever (he's definitely not), but he's smart, resourceful, and at least good enough to not be considered a 'wimp'.
... ah, yes, Sado. Didn't we already go through this "Joker is a wimp" notion when we debated Joker vs. Punisher?
Then Marv is pwned.
Marv>>>Joker
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
i was talking about the movie one actually. isn't this Heath Ledger Joker we're talking about? 😕
It is, but you used the phrase 'he's always been a wimp'. Always would imply out of the specific movie.
'Sides, Heath's Joker was actually more of a fighter than the typical comic book Joker.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
It is, but you used the phrase 'he's always been a wimp'. Always would imply out of the specific movie.'Sides, Heath's Joker was actually more of a fighter than the typical comic book Joker.
He wasn't much of a fighter, not at all. He surprised one thug who completely underestimated him, ie a guy in a clown suit. Subdued a fat older cop, somehow. Wildly swung a pipe and kicked at Batman. He does have brains though.
I would have thought the TDK sillyness would have died out by now, then again, the DVD came out recently.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Is it documented how many times he wss hit, if any, by the machine gun wielding SWAT team?
They opened fire and riddled him with machine-gun fire and they hit him enough to take him down, though not kill. Considering Marv has some degree of super-levels of durability, it had to be more than just a few bullets.
Originally posted by RobtardI am talking about the fight at the farm, not at the church.
They opened fire and riddled him with machine-gun fire and they hit him enough to take him down, though not kill. Considering Marv has some degree of super-levels of durability, it had to be more than just a few bullets.
Originally posted by Robtard
He wasn't much of a fighter, not at all. He surprised one thug who completely underestimated him, ie a guy in a clown suit. Subdued a fat older cop, somehow. Wildly swung a pipe and kicked at Batman. He does have brains though.I would have thought the TDK sillyness would have died out by now, then again, the DVD came out recently.
Not saying he's the best fighter ever (definitely not implying he could take on Marv in a direct fight), but he's a good fighter. At least that.
I was just replying to Sado's claim that Joker is a 'wimp'. Throughout the film, he repeatedly displayed that he has some skill. Besides, being able to attack Batman with enough power (granted; just through aggression and physical strength) to prevent him from launching a counterattack is at least somewhat impressive.