Zoom vs. Superman

Originally posted by Allankles
It's a valid question. Yes Zoom doesn't have nearly the same number of appearances. But I think you're reaching thinking Zoom can KO Supes easily. First of all you're ignoring the factors that make Supes durable in the first place, like having a sub atomic density far higher than Zoom's, not to mention cosmic armor and complete molecular control of his body.

How do the individual factors themselves that account for supes durability prove that he cant KO supes? They all contribute to the totality of his durability and that is what zoom has to overcome. Considerng that his punches were compared to supermans punches then with enough of them he can certainly ko him.

Originally posted by Naija boy
How do the individual factors themselves that account for supes durability prove that he cant KO supes? They all contribute to the totality of his durability and that is what zoom has to overcome. Considerng that his punches were compared to supermans punches then with enough of them he can certainly ko him.

First of all how durable is Zoom? Not everything mentioned by characters is accurate. The Flashes have the Speed Force which protects their relative fragile bodies from being ripped apart from the speeds they attain. I just don't buy the idea that Zoom's punches are going to drop Supesi.e. if we take Supes at his peak durability.

Also where as Zoom needs Kal El to be a standing target for him to have chance Kal El can potentially freeze him, burn him or suffocate him with super breath by creating an air vaccum in their surroundings.

Not to mention he can rip apart the BF with widely dispersed energy radiation.

Zoom only wins under one scenario that Supes isn't fast enough to take flight or that Supes isn't fast enough to drill a hole in the battlefield to get away from Zoom at close quarters. That Supes can't possible "hear" or sense Zoom coming and surprise him with his air or freeze powers.

Basically everything has to fall perfectly in place for Zoom for him to win. That's why I give Supes 7/10 here.

Originally posted by Allankles
Also where as Zoom needs Kal El to be a standing target for him to have chance Kal El can potentially freeze him, burn him or suffocate him with super breath by creating an air vaccum in their surroundings.

Why does Zoom need Kal to be a standing target? He's many times over faster than Superman. Easily.

Originally posted by Allankles
Zoom only wins under one scenario that Supes isn't fast enough to take flight or that Supes isn't fast enough to drill a hole in the battlefield to get away from Zoom at close quarters. That Supes can't possible "hear" or sense Zoom coming and surprise him with his air or freeze powers.

They start .5 km apart. Amped Flash was able to accelerate to light speed instantly and Zoom still appeared as a blur to him.

You know how quickly Zoom would cross that .5 km gap??

50mph?

Zoom

Note to self: simply give information from now on - never ask for it.

lol

Okay, these are from Trinity #31.

How far behind in continuity is Trinity?

Originally posted by Mindset
How far behind in continuity is Trinity?

There's a huge problem if it's post FC. Namely, how did Zoom get repowered?

Originally posted by Allankles
First of all how durable is Zoom? Not everything mentioned by characters is accurate. The Flashes have the Speed Force which protects their relative fragile bodies from being ripped apart from the speeds they attain. I just don't buy the idea that Zoom's punches are going to drop Supesi.e. if we take Supes at his peak durability.

Also where as Zoom needs Kal El to be a standing target for him to have chance Kal El can potentially freeze him, burn him or suffocate him with super breath by creating an air vaccum in their surroundings.

Not to mention he can rip apart the BF with widely dispersed energy radiation.

Zoom only wins under one scenario that Supes isn't fast enough to take flight or that Supes isn't fast enough to drill a hole in the battlefield to get away from Zoom at close quarters. That Supes can't possible "hear" or sense Zoom coming and surprise him with his air or freeze powers.

Basically everything has to fall perfectly in place for Zoom for him to win. That's why I give Supes 7/10 here.

Zooms body was obviously not ripped apart when he punched the hell out of wonderwoman so that happening here is a non issue. Wonderwoman said that he hits harder than superman but even if we were to say she exxagerated and he doesnt punch harder than superman, it is obvious that the intent of the statment was to indicate that zoom had punching power comparable to top class 100 level characters. He therefore doesnt have to punch even as hard as superman in order to ko him.

Also from all indications and from what ive read on the character, Zoom doesnt need clark to be a standing target but rather, Clark will be a standing target regardless. Hell he was only a blur to the flash.

also i doubt supes will be able to hear zoom coming, because (and galan should please correct me if im wrong), zoom operates ahead of the time stream supes would be in. With that there is no way supes would even be able to sense him let alone react quickly enough.

True if supes takes to the air the fight is probably over but i doubt supes will be able to do that before getting pounded into submission .

Originally posted by Enyalus

Why does Zoom need Kal to be a standing target? He's many times over faster than Superman. Easily. [/B]

Obviously because if Supes takes flight or goes underground Zoom has no chance of reaching him.

Originally posted by Enyalus
They start .5 km apart. Amped Flash was able to accelerate to light speed instantly and Zoom still appeared as a blur to him.

You know how quickly Zoom would cross that .5 km gap?? [/B]

Back to the whole perception thing. Flash has no extra sensory powers if Zoom is using time manip on himself Flash no matter how fast he propels himself has no way of tracking him except through sight.

Zoom has also the same weakness he cannot react to what he doesn't anticipate through sight. If Supes "hears" Zoom coming he can easily disguise his freeze powers.

2) Supes has enough speed to leave the ground or go underground, that's a much shorter distance than the gap between he and Zoom at the start of the battle. Zoom can be fast enough that Supes appears to move in slow motion but is he fast enough to stop Supes from flying over a short distance? Supes may be slow relative to Zoom but he's fast enough to take flight before Zoom gets to him IMO.

As far as durability goes WW was able to take his punches and she's not as durable as Supes.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Zooms body was obviously not ripped apart when he punched the hell out of wonderwoman so that happening here is a non issue. Wonderwoman said that he hits harder than superman but even if we were to say she exxagerated and he doesnt punch harder than superman, it is obvious that the intent of the statment was to indicate that zoom had punching power comparable to top class 100 level characters. He therefore doesnt have to punch even as hard as superman in order to ko him.

Also from all indications and from what ive read on the character, Zoom doesnt need clark to be a standing target but rather, Clark will be a standing target regardless. Hell he was only a blur to the flash.

also i doubt supes will be able to hear zoom coming, because (and galan should please correct me if im wrong), zoom operates ahead of the time stream supes would be in. With that there is no way supes would even be able to sense him let alone react quickly enough.

True if supes takes to the air the fight is probably over but i doubt supes will be able to do that before getting pounded into submission .

He doesn't zoom through some time stream tunnel, he is very much within normal time he only manipulates time around his body. With that in mind there's no reason why Supes couldn't sense someone moving through normal time. WW also has some extra sensory powers as she's able to track the flashes when they're using the speedforce. Again Supes doesn't have Wally's limitations with regards to perception.

If he punches hard then I'm going to have to just suspend my belief no point debating that point since he isn't even hard enough, durable enough to do damage based on his physical stats. Unless he manips his body to deliver punches harder, he doesn't really move "fast" like the Flashes or have the speed force for an IMP.

Originally posted by Galan007
Because I'm the only person who's said Zoom would take this, right? 🙄

Just because I like Zoom, doesn't mean I'd argue baselessly on his behalf.

That's the spirit.

Tell him to go f*ck himself aswell.

while i think zoom is more than capable of beating clark, i think the opposite applies as well...

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm shocked. none

Batdude got to you first ZOOM sig. 🙂

Originally posted by zeel
More crap, you damm good and well know zoom is not written, niether is flash as a main hero/anti hero they are back ground heros/antiheros and do not get the spot light like supes does. Feats represent NOTHING in this fight and you know it. That's like saying that the new marvel (shazam and captian marvel combo) would loose a fight to supes do to lack of feats.

Is that why E2 Supes (who Supes matched head on) easily took out Zoom, and although Zoom has suckerpunched Kal, he was nothing more than an annoyance?

Originally posted by zeel
feats are a measuring pole nothing more they do not insure a win. Especially in this case.

Did Zoom beat WW who is Supes inferior in everything but fighting skill?

Must be why that year in 52 where Supes/WW/Bats took a break, ZOOM saved the wor...eh.. guess not. 🙂

when did E2 supes easily took out zoom??i would love to see that fight..

Infinite crisis. Wasn't much of a fight.

Infinite crisis 😕 i have those..but i don't see E2 supes beating zoom in there..the only time i see them fighting is in one small panel where powergirl, supes and a couple of other hero try to punch him..but they didn't even hit him..