Zoom vs. Superman

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batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

Originally posted by I'm Bran
As if i have to type a response to someone who's named batdude (stolen name BTW).

If that doesn't work...I went der. winkiss

Reported.

I'm Bran Dead
Originally posted by I'm Bran
Well... that was uneventful.
Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by I'm Bran

[QUOTE=11460769]Originally posted by Galan007
You're a waste.

uhuh

Originally posted by batdude123
I hope you didn't forget to wipe the PMS blood off your keyboard after you typed that.

[/QUOTE]
C'mon Bran, you can do better than that. Srsly. ermm

I'm Bran Dead

Originally posted by Galan007
C'mon Bran, you can do better than that. Srsly. ermm
I can, but it doesn't hurt to HL batdude's failure.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

True. mmm

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber
Originally posted by I'm Bran
I can, but it doesn't hurt to HL batdude's failure.

How was that a failure? The only thing that's failing in this thread is your attempts to antagonize a fight.

biscuits

Badabing Gym rat

Bran, your post was reported before you edited. You both have been warned more than once for spamming threads and bypassing the censor.

iceman24567 Senior Member

Yeah Zoom wins now we can see a plethora of scans to prove it.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!
Originally posted by iceman24567
Yeah Zoom wins now we can see a plethora of scans to prove it.

👆

Now then, where to start...

With the obvious, I suppose. On Earth, in-the-atmospheric speed. Here, Supes is attempting to chase down Flash in order to get some answers. Flash is in the lead. They're both going about 2,000 miles per second:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_Supes_race1.jpg

Notice what that also says? Superman's perception (sight) is inferior to Flash's at those speeds. They hadn't adjusted to the speeds they were both going yet.

Here, Flash has the combined speed of himself, Jay, Bart, and Jesse. They're entire battle (essentially half of the comic) has lasted less than a second, in which they've circled the globe a dozen times*. Flash says none of the other heroes would be any help. They can't fight at those speeds. Supes included:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_Flash_ampedbattle.jpg
*Geek note: the circumference of the Earth is about 25,000 miles.

This is made pretty evident in Countdown, when Zoom blitzes Batman, Superman, and Diana simultaneously:

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8290/zoomsl5.jpg

Returning to his battle with the fully amped Flash...he's still able to blitz him:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_Flash_amp_blitz.jpg

Prior to this, when Wally has the combined speed of Jay and Bart and can accelerate to light speed instantaneously, Zoom is still so fast that he's a blur to Wally:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_Flash_amp_blur.jpg

To a base Wally and Jay, he's so fast when moving that he's completely invisible (he also two shots Jay here, including sending him across the city):

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_blitzes_Flashes1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_blitzes_Flashes2.jpg

Keep in mind that this is the guy who's perception is better than Superman and, for starters dodge 1500 strikes per second easily, as well as see and dodge the vast majority of Amazo's blows thrown at Flash-like speeds even after being barely conscious:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_1500.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_1000.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_0.jpg
4. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_1.jpg
5. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_2.jpg
6. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_3.jpg
7. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_4.jpg
3-7 are just because I can.

Zoom can not only blitz opponents, but block at the same speed - as evidenced here, when he easily staves off an angry Wally's attempted blitz with one-hand:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_blitz_counter.jpg

Here's another reason why Superman's senses won't be able to follow Zoom - as I explained earlier, Zoom temporal powers allow him to simply blink in and out of the current timeline, ghostlike, with full personal control over his exploitation of the timestream itself:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_timestream1.jpg
2. http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2088/z3dx4.jpg

This allows him to do more than just run really fast. He's got ranged attack, which are decently powerful and capable of hitting Superman even if he was in the air:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_sonicboom1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsRogues2.jpg
3. http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8530/z2jv3.jpg

Ah, and I should bring up that just because Superman is in the air, doesn't make him safe from a Zoom speedblitz:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_heightscaling.jpg

As for the contention that he somehow has baseline human durability, this is not true. Here he is catching a razor sharp boomerang thrown at the speed of sound, easily:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsRogues1.jpg

And:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_durability.jpg

That looked like it hurt. How will Zoom respond?

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsDiana1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsDiana2.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsDiana3.jpg

A few things to mention from the above rape - Zoom can punch at at least light speed (something Superman can't come close to matching.) And according to Diana yes, he hits harder than Superman. Zoom knocks her from Boston to Paris, from Paris to Egypt, and from Egypt to China. Thousands of miles apart. Does Supes to anything similar to Diana in Sacrifice, when he isn't holding back or pulling his punches and bloodlusted? No. And it isn't a new, one-time showing for Zoom, either. In one of his first appearances he knocks Jay from New York to Dallas with one punch:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_strikingpower1.jpg

Keep in mind that Zoom was a former police officer and FBI agent, thus having governmental combat training. He knows exactly how and where nerve clusters and pressure points act and are:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_PP.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_PP2.jpg
In the first scan, Bart has the entire Speed Force within him.

As for the laughable notion that Superman's HV is going to make a difference, here's how Flash deals with it:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_Supes_HV.jpg

And regarding Supeman's arctic breath...here's how Zoom deals with Captain Cold (absolute zero temperatures with his gun...also note lifting him off the ground one-handed from a standing position, indicating above-human natural strength):

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsRogues3.jpg

Not only that, but Superman's freeze breath is due to the supercompressed air in his lungs and him blowing it out. If any of you think Superman's even going to get the chance to breathe when starting out .5 km apart from each other by now, please see a therapist.

Not that it matters. In addition to him being able to simply blink out of the current time to avoid the cold or heat vision, he can vibrate intangible:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_vibration1.jpg
2. http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3437/zoomvibrate1ie6.jpg
3. http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6587/zoomvibrate2ew4.jpg

...That's about all the reasons I can conceivably think of why Superman has zero chance in this match. All scans courtesy of Galan and myself.

iceman24567 Senior Member

Yep that settles it Zoom is pretty much a Flash but on higher scale.

shokosugi Restricted

Wow, all those feats and still Supes b__chslaps Zoom 😆

Originally posted by Enyalus
[B]👆

Now then, where to start...

With the obvious, I suppose. On Earth, in-the-atmospheric speed. Here, Supes is attempting to chase down Flash in order to get some answers. Flash is in the lead. They're both going about 2,000 miles per second:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_Supes_race1.jpg

Notice what that also says? Superman's perception (sight) is inferior to Flash's at those speeds. They hadn't adjusted to the speeds they were both going yet.

Here, Flash has the combined speed of himself, Jay, Bart, and Jesse. They're entire battle (essentially half of the comic) has lasted less than a second, in which they've circled the globe a dozen times*. Flash says none of the other heroes would be any help. They can't fight at those speeds. Supes included:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_Flash_ampedbattle.jpg
*Geek note: the circumference of the Earth is about 25,000 miles.

This is made pretty evident in Countdown, when Zoom blitzes Batman, Superman, and Diana simultaneously:

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8290/zoomsl5.jpg

Returning to his battle with the fully amped Flash...he's still able to blitz him:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_Flash_amp_blitz.jpg

Prior to this, when Wally has the combined speed of Jay and Bart and can accelerate to light speed instantaneously, Zoom is still so fast that he's a blur to Wally:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_Flash_amp_blur.jpg

To a base Wally and Jay, he's so fast when moving that he's completely invisible (he also two shots Jay here, including sending him across the city):

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_blitzes_Flashes1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_blitzes_Flashes2.jpg

Keep in mind that this is the guy who's perception is better than Superman and, for starters dodge 1500 strikes per second easily, as well as see and dodge the vast majority of Amazo's blows thrown at Flash-like speeds even after being barely conscious:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_1500.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_1000.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_0.jpg
4. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_1.jpg
5. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_2.jpg
6. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_3.jpg
7. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_4.jpg
3-7 are just because I can.

Zoom can not only blitz opponents, but block at the same speed - as evidenced here, when he easily staves off an angry Wally's attempted blitz with one-hand:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_blitz_counter.jpg

Here's another reason why Superman's senses won't be able to follow Zoom - as I explained earlier, Zoom temporal powers allow him to simply blink in and out of the current timeline, ghostlike, with full personal control over his exploitation of the timestream itself:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_timestream1.jpg
2. http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2088/z3dx4.jpg

This allows him to do more than just run really fast. He's got ranged attack, which are decently powerful and capable of hitting Superman even if he was in the air:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_sonicboom1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsRogues2.jpg
3. http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8530/z2jv3.jpg

Ah, and I should bring up that just because Superman is in the air, doesn't make him safe from a Zoom speedblitz:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_heightscaling.jpg

As for the contention that he somehow has baseline human durability, this is not true. Here he is catching a razor sharp boomerang thrown at the speed of sound, easily:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsRogues1.jpg

And:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_durability.jpg

That looked like it hurt. How will Zoom respond?

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsDiana1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsDiana2.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsDiana3.jpg

A few things to mention from the above rape - Zoom can punch at at least light speed (something Superman can't come close to matching.) And according to Diana yes, he hits harder than Superman. Zoom knocks her from Boston to Paris, from Paris to Egypt, and from Egypt to China. Thousands of miles apart. Does Supes to anything similar to Diana in Sacrifice, when he isn't holding back or pulling his punches and bloodlusted? No. And it isn't a new, one-time showing for Zoom, either. In one of his first appearances he knocks Jay from New York to Dallas with one punch:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_strikingpower1.jpg

Keep in mind that Zoom was a former police officer and FBI agent, thus having governmental combat training. He knows exactly how and where nerve clusters and pressure points act and are:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_PP.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_PP2.jpg
In the first scan, Bart has the entire Speed Force within him.

As for the laughable notion that Superman's HV is going to make a difference, here's how Flash deals with it:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_Supes_HV.jpg

And regarding Supeman's arctic breath...here's how Zoom deals with Captain Cold (absolute zero temperatures with his gun...also note lifting him off the ground one-handed from a standing position, indicating above-human natural strength):

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsRogues3.jpg

Not only that, but Superman's freeze breath is due to the supercompressed air in his lungs and him blowing it out. If any of you think Superman's even going to get the chance to breathe when starting out .5 km apart from each other by now, please see a therapist.

Not that it matters. In addition to him being able to simply blink out of the current time to avoid the cold or heat vision, he can vibrate intangible:


😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

Originally posted by Enyalus
👆

Now then, where to start...

With the obvious, I suppose. On Earth, in-the-atmospheric speed. Here, Supes is attempting to chase down Flash in order to get some answers. Flash is in the lead. They're both going about 2,000 miles per second:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_Supes_race1.jpg

Notice what that also says? Superman's perception (sight) is inferior to Flash's at those speeds. They hadn't adjusted to the speeds they were both going yet.

Here, Flash has the combined speed of himself, Jay, Bart, and Jesse. They're entire battle (essentially half of the comic) has lasted less than a second, in which they've circled the globe a dozen times*. Flash says none of the other heroes would be any help. They can't fight at those speeds. Supes included:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_Flash_ampedbattle.jpg
*Geek note: the circumference of the Earth is about 25,000 miles.

This is made pretty evident in Countdown, when Zoom blitzes Batman, Superman, and Diana simultaneously:

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8290/zoomsl5.jpg

Returning to his battle with the fully amped Flash...he's still able to blitz him:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_Flash_amp_blitz.jpg

Prior to this, when Wally has the combined speed of Jay and Bart and can accelerate to light speed instantaneously, Zoom is still so fast that he's a blur to Wally:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_Flash_amp_blur.jpg

To a base Wally and Jay, he's so fast when moving that he's completely invisible (he also two shots Jay here, including sending him across the city):

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_blitzes_Flashes1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_blitzes_Flashes2.jpg

Keep in mind that this is the guy who's perception is better than Superman and, for starters dodge 1500 strikes per second easily, as well as see and dodge the vast majority of Amazo's blows thrown at Flash-like speeds even after being barely conscious:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_1500.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_1000.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_0.jpg
4. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_1.jpg
5. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_2.jpg
6. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_3.jpg
7. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_4.jpg
3-7 are just because I can.

Zoom can not only blitz opponents, but block at the same speed - as evidenced here, when he easily staves off an angry Wally's attempted blitz with one-hand:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_blitz_counter.jpg

Here's another reason why Superman's senses won't be able to follow Zoom - as I explained earlier, Zoom temporal powers allow him to simply blink in and out of the current timeline, ghostlike, with full personal control over his exploitation of the timestream itself:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_timestream1.jpg
2. http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2088/z3dx4.jpg

This allows him to do more than just run really fast. He's got ranged attack, which are decently powerful and capable of hitting Superman even if he was in the air:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_sonicboom1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsRogues2.jpg
3. http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8530/z2jv3.jpg

Ah, and I should bring up that just because Superman is in the air, doesn't make him safe from a Zoom speedblitz:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_heightscaling.jpg

As for the contention that he somehow has baseline human durability, this is not true. Here he is catching a razor sharp boomerang thrown at the speed of sound, easily:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsRogues1.jpg

And:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_durability.jpg

That looked like it hurt. How will Zoom respond?

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsDiana1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsDiana2.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsDiana3.jpg

A few things to mention from the above rape - Zoom can punch at at least light speed (something Superman can't come close to matching.) And according to Diana yes, he hits harder than Superman. Zoom knocks her from Boston to Paris, from Paris to Egypt, and from Egypt to China. Thousands of miles apart. Does Supes to anything similar to Diana in Sacrifice, when he isn't holding back or pulling his punches and bloodlusted? No. And it isn't a new, one-time showing for Zoom, either. In one of his first appearances he knocks Jay from New York to Dallas with one punch:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_strikingpower1.jpg

Keep in mind that Zoom was a former police officer and FBI agent, thus having governmental combat training. He knows exactly how and where nerve clusters and pressure points act and are:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_PP.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_PP2.jpg
In the first scan, Bart has the entire Speed Force within him.

As for the laughable notion that Superman's HV is going to make a difference, here's how Flash deals with it:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_Supes_HV.jpg

And regarding Supeman's arctic breath...here's how Zoom deals with Captain Cold (absolute zero temperatures with his gun...also note lifting him off the ground one-handed from a standing position, indicating above-human natural strength):

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsRogues3.jpg

Not only that, but Superman's freeze breath is due to the supercompressed air in his lungs and him blowing it out. If any of you think Superman's even going to get the chance to breathe when starting out .5 km apart from each other by now, please see a therapist.

Not that it matters. In addition to him being able to simply blink out of the current time to avoid the cold or heat vision, he can vibrate intangible:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_vibration1.jpg
2. http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3437/zoomvibrate1ie6.jpg
3. http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6587/zoomvibrate2ew4.jpg

...That's about all the reasons I can conceivably think of why Superman has zero chance in this match. All scans courtesy of Galan and myself.

Those feats are ok. You honestly think I was arguing without knowing what Zoom is capable of? And Flash can track things with his eyes better than Superman but he lacks his extra sensory perceptions and he also lacks his microscopic vision. So Flash may have better basic visual tracking because of speed but he's still limited to what he can see as is Zoom.

I've also seen the WW Zoom fight and it's bs. First of all Superman can punch at lightspeed, not from a dead stop over short distances because he doesn't have the acceleration of people like Zoom but it is well within reach of his abilities to punch people at lightspeed.

In IC Supes fight with Earth 2 Superman was opening up dimensional rifts and he brawled and grappled with Emo Supes at hundreds of times lightspeed going from Earth to Rao in a few short panels .

Also Zoom's durability is nothing to write home about, he can easily be incinerated, frozen, broken etc as proven when the Rogues smashed temporal empowered Inertia.

You're crazy if you think one showing with WW landing one typical shot proves he can take anything a non PIS Supes hits him with.

EDIT: And no one said he has base line human durability but it's nothing to write home about as far as Top tiers go.

And seriously are people just deliberately underrating Superman here? Supes can do things like vibrate his body intangible too, change his density to achieve the same, or invisible etc really this fight is a lot different than some people are painting.

The probelem is you're throwing in a lot of feats that don't reflect this particular match up. For instance tagging weather wizard in the air do I need to remind you that Weather Wizard doesn't have the same speed as Supes, durability, molecular control?

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

Another thing that needs to be clarified is how Zoom's powers work relative to normal space-time.

He doesn't move in and out of normal time he merely manipulates time around himself i.e. he manipulates the "speed" at which time affects him, he doesn't move in and out of time like Enyalus suggested.

That's how Inertia turned him into a cripple he didn't manipulate relative time he just manipulated the "speed" with which time affected Zoom. So all this hogwash about Supes not being able to sense Zoom is bs since Zoom moves in normal time but his body is affected by time at a different "speed".

So for brief moments Zoom is able to slow the effects of time on his own body he doesn't actually travel through time or anything.

skygunner41 I'll be back!

Originally posted by Allankles
Another thing that needs to be clarified is how Zoom's powers work relative to normal space-time.

He doesn't move in and out of normal time he merely manipulates time around himself i.e. he manipulates the "speed" at which time affects him, he doesn't move in and out of time like Enyalus suggested.

That's how Inertia turned him into a cripple he didn't manipulate relative time he just manipulated the "speed" with which time affected Zoom. So all this hogwash about Supes not being able to sense Zoom is bs since Zoom moves in normal time but his body is affected by time at a different "speed".

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Avlon Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by Enyalus
👆

Now then, where to start...

With the obvious, I suppose. On Earth, in-the-atmospheric speed. Here, Supes is attempting to chase down Flash in order to get some answers. Flash is in the lead. They're both going about 2,000 miles per second:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_Supes_race1.jpg

Notice what that also says? Superman's perception (sight) is inferior to Flash's at those speeds. They hadn't adjusted to the speeds they were both going yet.

Here, Flash has the combined speed of himself, Jay, Bart, and Jesse. They're entire battle (essentially half of the comic) has lasted less than a second, in which they've circled the globe a dozen times*. Flash says none of the other heroes would be any help. They can't fight at those speeds. Supes included:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_Flash_ampedbattle.jpg
*Geek note: the circumference of the Earth is about 25,000 miles.

This is made pretty evident in Countdown, when Zoom blitzes Batman, Superman, and Diana simultaneously:

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8290/zoomsl5.jpg

Returning to his battle with the fully amped Flash...he's still able to blitz him:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_Flash_amp_blitz.jpg

Prior to this, when Wally has the combined speed of Jay and Bart and can accelerate to light speed instantaneously, Zoom is still so fast that he's a blur to Wally:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_Flash_amp_blur.jpg

To a base Wally and Jay, he's so fast when moving that he's completely invisible (he also two shots Jay here, including sending him across the city):

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_blitzes_Flashes1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_blitzes_Flashes2.jpg

Keep in mind that this is the guy who's perception is better than Superman and, for starters dodge 1500 strikes per second easily, as well as see and dodge the vast majority of Amazo's blows thrown at Flash-like speeds even after being barely conscious:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_1500.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_1000.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_0.jpg
4. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_1.jpg
5. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_2.jpg
6. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_3.jpg
7. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_201_4.jpg
3-7 are just because I can.

Zoom can not only blitz opponents, but block at the same speed - as evidenced here, when he easily staves off an angry Wally's attempted blitz with one-hand:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_blitz_counter.jpg

Here's another reason why Superman's senses won't be able to follow Zoom - as I explained earlier, Zoom temporal powers allow him to simply blink in and out of the current timeline, ghostlike, with full personal control over his exploitation of the timestream itself:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_timestream1.jpg
2. http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2088/z3dx4.jpg

This allows him to do more than just run really fast. He's got ranged attack, which are decently powerful and capable of hitting Superman even if he was in the air:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_sonicboom1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsRogues2.jpg
3. http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8530/z2jv3.jpg

Ah, and I should bring up that just because Superman is in the air, doesn't make him safe from a Zoom speedblitz:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_heightscaling.jpg

As for the contention that he somehow has baseline human durability, this is not true. Here he is catching a razor sharp boomerang thrown at the speed of sound, easily:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsRogues1.jpg

And:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_durability.jpg

That looked like it hurt. How will Zoom respond?

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsDiana1.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsDiana2.jpg
3. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsDiana3.jpg

A few things to mention from the above rape - Zoom can punch at at least light speed (something Superman can't come close to matching.) And according to Diana yes, he hits harder than Superman. Zoom knocks her from Boston to Paris, from Paris to Egypt, and from Egypt to China. Thousands of miles apart. Does Supes to anything similar to Diana in Sacrifice, when he isn't holding back or pulling his punches and bloodlusted? No. And it isn't a new, one-time showing for Zoom, either. In one of his first appearances he knocks Jay from New York to Dallas with one punch:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_strikingpower1.jpg

Keep in mind that Zoom was a former police officer and FBI agent, thus having governmental combat training. He knows exactly how and where nerve clusters and pressure points act and are:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_PP.jpg
2. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_PP2.jpg
In the first scan, Bart has the entire Speed Force within him.

As for the laughable notion that Superman's HV is going to make a difference, here's how Flash deals with it:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Flash_Supes_HV.jpg

And regarding Supeman's arctic breath...here's how Zoom deals with Captain Cold (absolute zero temperatures with his gun...also note lifting him off the ground one-handed from a standing position, indicating above-human natural strength):

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/ZoomvsRogues3.jpg

Not only that, but Superman's freeze breath is due to the supercompressed air in his lungs and him blowing it out. If any of you think Superman's even going to get the chance to breathe when starting out .5 km apart from each other by now, please see a therapist.

Not that it matters. In addition to him being able to simply blink out of the current time to avoid the cold or heat vision, he can vibrate intangible:

1. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Zoom_vibration1.jpg
2. http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3437/zoomvibrate1ie6.jpg
3. http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6587/zoomvibrate2ew4.jpg

...That's about all the reasons I can conceivably think of why Superman has zero chance in this match. All scans courtesy of Galan and myself.

Good post. We still don't see Zoom do anything but at most be a nuisance to Supes when he tagged him by surprise. How did the WW fight end btw? 🙂 Like said earlier, E2 Supes took out Zoom with relative ease and that's someone who Clark has matched.

Senses are also a different story. Supes can see the source wall from earth, hear a yell from another galaxy, pinpoint the JLA (including Flash) from space while they are 2000 feet underground, see individual strands of dna. If you really want an example, See Superman's battle with "Z" where he explains that his senses (eyes in particular) don't work like everyone elses.

Particularly after One year later, where his senses actually received an UPGRADE.

Now considering where the source wall is, I'd say his perception is far more than any Flash including Zoom will ever have.

shokosugi Restricted

Zoom is a JOKE

Bentley Seitei

Mr. Myx is a joke.

Slaanesh The forces of Chaos
Originally posted by Avlon
Like said earlier, E2 Supes took out Zoom with relative ease and that's someone who Clark has matched.

i still can't find this in Infinite crisis..can u tell me the issue number?

iceman24567 Senior Member

What you can't find infinite Crisis? Thats not possible.

Naija boy Senior Member

Originally posted by Allankles
Those feats are ok. You honestly think I was arguing without knowing what Zoom is capable of? And Flash can track things with his eyes better than Superman but he lacks his extra sensory perceptions and he also lacks his microscopic vision. So Flash may have better basic visual tracking because of speed but he's still limited to what he can see as is Zoom.

I've also seen the WW Zoom fight and it's bs. First of all Superman can punch at lightspeed, not from a dead stop over short distances because he doesn't have the acceleration of people like Zoom but it is well within reach of his abilities to punch people at lightspeed.

In IC Supes fight with Earth 2 Superman was opening up dimensional rifts and he brawled and grappled with Emo Supes at hundreds of times lightspeed going from Earth to Rao in a few short panels .

Also Zoom's durability is nothing to write home about, he can easily be incinerated, frozen, broken etc as proven when the Rogues smashed temporal empowered Inertia.

You're crazy if you think one showing with WW landing one typical shot proves he can take anything a non PIS Supes hits him with.

EDIT: And no one said he has base line human durability but it's nothing to write home about as far as Top tiers go.

And seriously are people just deliberately underrating Superman here? Supes can do things like vibrate his body intangible too, change his density to achieve the same, or invisible etc really this fight is a lot different than some people are painting.

The probelem is you're throwing in a lot of feats that don't reflect this particular match up. For instance tagging weather wizard in the air do I need to remind you that Weather Wizard doesn't have the same speed as Supes, durability, molecular control?

Can u please explain how supes enhanced senses will help him to tag zoom when his body is still not quick enough to react?