McClane: Responsible for Ellis or not...?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Great post. Good points.

1) I think 'both'. The old marching powder no doubt convinced him that he had it in him to pull off bullshitting Hans or even ending the situation with a bit of Yuppie arrogance in negotiation.
I think that he may have wanted to portray himself heroically for Holly's benefit too. Yeah I think Holly was using him a little.

Now I might be wrong but in the book, Joe Leland is McClane, and Holly is his daughter. I think she was married to Harry Ellis.
I wanna get hold of the book again. Tw'was bleaaaaaak.

2) I always thought it was Holly's or maybe even a communal one.
Very interesting point, you raise there. I'll look it this....

If its Holly's and Ellis' bathroom is bigger/better and she is just covetting it, then no surprise that she wants to work with Yuppie vermin, as she'd fit in well with that ambitious/greedy b*tch ethos.

If its Ellis' the man she musta reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllly been stringing him on.... Private bathroom.....? She had damn well had better swallowed and the whole deal for that.. lolz

So either way, I feel REAL sorry for McClane, man..... 😛

And about Ellis' imaginary invincibility, it's ironic as hell that by perceiving himself as a hero, he also perceives himself as someone who is "above" being killed by someone else. Ironic considering the title of the film.

Originally posted by botankus
Great insight. After reading your opinion on the private bathroom, I think I'm going to agree with the fact that it's Holly's and she is more than ready to vault up the corporate ladder.........[EDIT]but wait--after Takagi's death, she says that "everyone is looking to her" since Hans murdered her boss. Is that before Ellis' death? If so, then she's next in line. Why would Ellis have a bigger private bathroom than Holly? Or is Ellis next in line and no one wants to look to him because he's a dickface? Hmmmmmm.......

And about Ellis' imaginary invincibility, it's ironic as hell that by perceiving himself as a hero, he also perceives himself as someone who is "above" being killed by someone else. Ironic considering the title of the film.

LOL it is indeed. Holy shit I hadnt made that connection lolz

I think youre absoluely right that everyone rightly has him down as the office dickface. I wouldnt look to someone so devoid of charisma.
And this is pure speculation: But he strikes me as the kind of guy who got to where he did in that cutthroat time of business by selling out any friends he made have had long ago, stabbing anyone in the back friend or foe, to get that private bathroom. So there is a nice justice that he gets used like that, I guess.