New Punisher Dark Reign

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Norman's skin isn't bulletproof 😐 He has Spider-Man's durability level [b]at best. It's Green Goblin suit that protects him. Not always it does its job though.

Oh, and Frank used "a high-powered Skrull sniper rifle". [/B]

Originally posted by willRules
He has a healing factor but it's quite slow reacting. When he survived the infamous glider attack (Amazing Spidey #121 I think) it wasn't until his body was in the morgue did he actually recover ✅

I just double checked. In a Spider-man one shot (that came out at the culmination of the clone saga) called Spider-man: The Osborn Journals, Norman reveals that he thought the Goblin formula gave him super strength. It wasn't until the glider incident (Amazing Spider-man #121) that he realised he also had a healing factor. This healing factor allows Osborn to withstand an onslaught of Pumpkin bombs (He survives a bag full of them at the end of the clone saga)

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
What comic does this continue in? I look for Punisher Dark Reign issue 2 but couldnt find it.

Next month... ermm

By the way its really gonna go down....

http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/939/939670p1.html

IGN Comics: Stark made it S.H.I.E.L.D.'s business to hunt down Frank at all costs. Will H.A.M.M.E.R. take on a similar mission?

Remender: Frank puts himself in the sights of some big players. By issue #6 when the extent of what he's up against is revealed… no one will see what is coming.

http://uk.comics.ign.com/objects/142/14290805.html

Punisher Vol. 7 #2

Frank Castle is losing the war. Organized crime has New York City in a death grip that, thanks to the powerful propaganda machine of the corrupt new government, is being swept under the rug. To stem this dark tide, Frank Castle must embrace new tactics, embarking on a bloody public campaign that will expose the dark underbelly of the supposedly squeaky-clean regime to the world, and a new sidekick, who’ll help him get out the message. Who would be stupid enough to team up with the Punisher now that his rifle is pointed squarely at the biggest villains in the Marvel Universe? The answer will turn the Punisher into the most proficient villain killer in town!

God dammit this sounds exciting I cant wait to see how this develops.

Originally posted by willRules
Yeah but this is from the same guy where murder isn't against his moral code. 🙄 Punisher = hypocrite.

And where does the Punisher fit into that? Cos by his own standards, he's guilty of murder.

Frank knows he's a ruthless killer and accepts it, because the ends justify the means:

"I hate it when people jerk around the system and get off. I'm guilty. I should pay. No apologies, no excuses."

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Why? Is that all that seems kinda like a joke.

Well with The next issue sneek peek with the varient issue #1 it has someone that looks like Mr Fear unless its suppose to be someone else

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/lib/view2.htm?filename=/comics/onsale/covers/0209/PUNISHER002_COV_A_col.jpg

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Frank knows he's a ruthless killer and accepts it, because the ends justify the means:

[B]"I hate it when people jerk around the system and get off. I'm guilty. I should pay. No apologies, no excuses." [/B]

I dont know about the end justifies the means, people who follow that philosophy kill innocent people.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Well with The next issue sneek peek with the varient issue #1 it has someone that looks like Mr Fear unless its suppose to be someone else

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/lib/view2.htm?filename=/comics/onsale/covers/0209/PUNISHER002_COV_A_col.jpg

Damn man that cover looks so ambigous, that could be Dr Doom for all we know. Mr Fear is hardly important.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Frank knows he's a ruthless killer and accepts it, because the ends justify the means:

[B]"I hate it when people jerk around the system and get off. I'm guilty. I should pay. No apologies, no excuses." [/B]

Ah well as long as Frank accepts he's guilty, then every thing's ok. That's like a thief admitting he is one and then going out and mugging someone. At least the important thing is that he accepts it right? 🙄

And end justifies the means? What a load of crap!!! Even by comic book standards that's delusional. He'll stop once he has killed EVERY criminal right?

The Punisher's a cool character and I've got nothing against him. I'm just making it clear that his whole ideology is hypocritical and unjustifiable ✅

Originally posted by willRules
The Punisher's a cool character and I've got nothing against him. I'm just making it clear that his whole ideology is hypocritical and unjustifiable ✅

Well you defintely haven't proven that hes hypocritical.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well you defintely haven't proven that hes hypocritical.

I don't need to. Punisher does that himself. 😛

Originally posted by willRules
I don't need to. Punisher does that himself. 😛

👆

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Next month... ermm

By the way its really gonna go down....

http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/939/939670p1.html

IGN Comics: Stark made it S.H.I.E.L.D.'s business to hunt down Frank at all costs. Will H.A.M.M.E.R. take on a similar mission?

Remender: Frank puts himself in the sights of some big players.[b] By issue #6 when the extent of what he's up against is revealed… no one will see what is coming.

http://uk.comics.ign.com/objects/142/14290805.html

Punisher Vol. 7 #2

Frank Castle is losing the war. Organized crime has New York City in a death grip that, thanks to the powerful propaganda machine of the corrupt new government, is being swept under the rug. To stem this dark tide, Frank Castle must embrace new tactics, embarking on a bloody public campaign that will expose the dark underbelly of the supposedly squeaky-clean regime to the world, and a new sidekick, who’ll help him get out the message. Who would be stupid enough to team up with the Punisher now that his rifle is pointed squarely at the biggest villains in the Marvel Universe? The answer will turn the Punisher into the most proficient villain killer in town!

God dammit this sounds exciting I cant wait to see how this develops. [/B]

Same artist?

I hope so

I'm liking this new team more then the War Journal one.

Definetly better than the war journal team

I'm also hoping the series keeps going even after when Dark Reign is over and also makes it past #30 issues

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont know about the end justifies the means, people who follow that philosophy kill innocent people.

I'm talking about the Punisher here, not real-life psychopaths; but even in comics, Castle will kill vigilantes whose sloppy methods result in civilian casualties or who operate out of self-interest and personal vendettas.

Originally posted by willRules
Ah well as long as Frank accepts he's guilty, then every thing's ok. That's like a thief admitting he is one and then going out and mugging someone. At least the important thing is that he accepts it right? 🙄

And end justifies the means? What a load of crap!!! Even by comic book standards that's delusional. He'll stop once he has killed EVERY criminal right?

The Punisher's a cool character and I've got nothing against him. I'm just making it clear that his whole ideology is hypocritical and unjustifiable ✅

In the case of the Punisher, the ends do justify the means. How often does he kill innocent bystanders either through recklessness or callousness? I can't think of one example. How many drug-dealing, murdering douche-bags has he killed? Thousands, and thousands more lives were changed for the better because of it, regardless of whether it was directly or indirectly.

That quote is great because it shows that American Judicial System is a failure, at least in Frank's perspective-- it's a revolving door; if it worked, he'd be in prison along with the same people he's out to kill, and he wouldn't have it any other way. However, despite being a criminal in the eyes of the law, Castle is a hero because his actions have positive outcomes. He doesn't simply kill for amusement; he does it to eliminate threats to civilians. That's what's important.

Frank himself is a little delusional. He is a traumatized man who lost his family, and is now fighting to eliminate crime-- it's the classic formula for a friggin' superhero. NONE of them will ever stop every criminal-- not Daredevil, nor Spider-Man, nor Batman-- but that's not the point of it all. The point is to make a difference, no matter how small. He'll stop once he is killed or no longer able to carry on with his work. Until then, he'll keep on at it.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
I'm talking about the Punisher here, not real-life psychopaths; but even in comics, Castle will kill vigilantes whose sloppy methods result in civilian casualties or who operate out of self-interest and personal vendettas.

Yeah because they killed innocent people, hell one of those people you are talking about killed some guy because he was selling weed and threathtened another guy because he was mexican. I dont like Einnis Punisher by the way.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

In the case of the Punisher, the ends do justify the means. How often does he kill innocent bystanders either through recklessness or callousness? I can't think of one example. How many drug-dealing, murdering douche-bags has he killed? Thousands, and thousands more lives were changed for the better because of it, regardless of whether it was directly or indirectly.

That quote is great because it shows that American Judicial System is a failure, at least in Frank's perspective-- it's a revolving door; if it worked, he'd be in prison along with the same people he's out to kill, and he wouldn't have it any other way. However, despite being a criminal in the eyes of the law, Castle is a hero because his actions have positive outcomes. He doesn't simply kill for amusement; he does it to eliminate threats to civilians. That's what's important.

Frank himself is a little delusional. He is a traumatized man who lost his family, and is now fighting to eliminate crime-- it's the classic formula for a friggin' superhero. NONE of them will ever stop every criminal-- not Daredevil, nor Spider-Man, nor Batman-- but that's not the point of it all. The point is to make a difference, no matter how small. He'll stop once he is killed or no longer able to carry on with his work. Until then, he'll keep on at it.

If the ends justifies the means he would be willing to do anything to get results and hes not willing to do that.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
If the ends justifies the means he would be willing to do anything to get results and hes not willing to do that.

How do you figure? Now I'm not even sure if we're talking about he same thing anymore.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
How do you figure? Now I'm not even sure if we're talking about he same thing anymore.

I have seen that term used to describe Dr Doom, Punisher is nothing like Dr Doom. Whats your defintion of that term?

Also just looking at the term....the ends....the situation...justifies the means....so depending on the situation you may justify using different methods. Somebody like Dr Doom or an evil person could justify genocide.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I have seen that term used to describe Dr Doom, Punisher is nothing like Dr Doom. Whats your defintion of that term?

Also just looking at the term....the ends....the situation...justifies the means....so depending on the situation you may justify using different methods. Somebody like Dr Doom or an evil person could justify genocide.

If you go that route, then yes-- but I'm only referring to the Punisher. Doom is all about ego, and guys like Red Skull and the Hate-Mongerer operate out of bigotry. The Punisher doesn't go around and kill just anyone for touching a joint or jaywalking. He's very selective about who he kills. You have to be a rotten douche bag to make his shit-list, and if you're not quite there yet, he's been known to give opportunities to change.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
If you go that route, then yes-- but I'm only referring to the Punisher. Doom is all about ego, and guys like Red Skull and the Hate-Mongerer operate out of bigotry. The Punisher doesn't go around and kill just anyone for touching a joint or jaywalking. He's very selective about who he kills. You have to be a rotten douche bag to make his shit-list, and if you're not quite there yet, he's been known to give opportunities to change.

I see what you mean. 👆

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
I'm talking about the Punisher here, not real-life psychopaths; but even in comics, Castle will kill vigilantes whose sloppy methods result in civilian casualties or who operate out of self-interest and personal vendettas.

In the case of the Punisher, the ends do justify the means. How often does he kill innocent bystanders either through recklessness or callousness? I can't think of one example. How many drug-dealing, murdering douche-bags has he killed? Thousands, and thousands more lives were changed for the better because of it, regardless of whether it was directly or indirectly.

That quote is great because it shows that American Judicial System is a failure, at least in Frank's perspective-- it's a revolving door; if it worked, he'd be in prison along with the same people he's out to kill, and he wouldn't have it any other way. However, despite being a criminal in the eyes of the law, Castle is a hero because his actions have positive outcomes. He doesn't simply kill for amusement; he does it to eliminate threats to civilians. That's what's important.

Frank himself is a little delusional. He is a traumatized man who lost his family, and is now fighting to eliminate crime-- it's the classic formula for a friggin' superhero. NONE of them will ever stop every criminal-- not Daredevil, nor Spider-Man, nor Batman-- but that's not the point of it all. The point is to make a difference, no matter how small. He'll stop once he is killed or no longer able to carry on with his work. Until then, he'll keep on at it.

Don't get me wrong, Punisher's a cool character (I'm currently reading Ennis' run and it's great!) But his own actions betray his motivations. He operates under a perverse sense of morality that should ultimately condemn himself. If he killed someone because they murdered, what's his justification? They were a killer? Punisher deserves the same fate as them by his very own perverse logic.

Maybe he does it to stop them from killing, but then he has to admit that someone should kill him to stop him from killing. As for making the world a better place, that's not true. For every criminal he murders, reminds the reader that there is still one criminal running around committing mass murder. He may kill murderers, thieves, dealers etc etc, but he has committed genocide. I don't see it as a positive outcome in the end as Punisher is still out there, killing. Suddenly because the people are guilty, Punisher isn't?

Oh and by the way in the Daredevil vs Punisher mini (which DD mopped the floor with Frank for the most part) Punsiher accidentally shoots an innocent homeless man.

I think he's an interesting character, because fundamentally what he does is wrong, but it makes an interesting read to watch him do it. Also, even if I disagree I still see and respect your point, it very much ties into the whole capital punishment issue ✅