Originally posted by SoulDevourer
so DD is mystical? i dont remeber they state that 🤨say if DD is disintagrate into atoms (prolly near impossible to do but IF) then can he also reform from that?
HP DD can not be disintegrated period.
The OE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ALL and even it couldn't end him.
In HP it specifically claimed that NO force in the universe could end him, only the end of time.
Originally posted by h1a8(Supe also took the full OE)
HP DD can not be disintegrated period.
The OE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ALL and even it couldn't end him.
In HP it specifically claimed that NO force in the universe could end him, only the end of time.
weird tho...cuz that means even some1 like specter or mxy cant snap him outa existence or somethin?
Originally posted by h1a8Not in comics. There are varying degrees of infinite power in marvel.
Having infinite power implies omnipotence (relatively at least). Show me one example where someone has infinite power and is not at least relatively omnipotent.No he doesn't. If you read HP you will learn that the writer wrote DD to be beyond death and having no forces in the universe being able to end him except the end of time.
I read an interview with the writer's thoughts on stacking up DD against other characters and he's nowhere near the level you have him on.
Wrong again.
he was also defeated quite easily by Imperiex Prime. Just because they took him to the end of time and because this was the manner in which they pulled it off doesn't suggest it's the only way. Owaw proves ya wrong along with the writer's thoughts.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeI'll copy and paste his exact response.
^care to provide a link to the interview or a scan? 🙂
95 percent of Superman's power with a different upbringing and he favors this individual over DD.
RC: So, in your opinion, if Darkseid fought Doomsday without employing technology and strategy, Doomsday would win every time?
DAN JURGENS: Yes. Right.
RC: Now, regarding Superman in Hunter/Prey, how do you account for Superman’s abysmal performance against Doomsday?
DAN JURGENS: I always said that when it came down to a knock-down, drag-out, kick-ass fight, that Superman was always limited by his upbringing. In other words, if you take Superman and his upbringing, his moral code-the "governors" that put him in place to make him the decent human being that he is-and you take someone else who is raised, let’s say on Apokolips, and they are one nasty, mean-ass sonuva . . . even if they only have 95 percent of Superman’s power, they have the advantage in a drag-out fight to the death.
^ Utter bullshit, Quan. Superman's upbringing gave him the ability to focus and discipline his use of power to the point that he's one of the most skilled users of Kryptonian powers bar none.
This is why I ignore writer's statements if they don't make sense.
Dan Jurgens also said the Odin Force was planetary level power and that Superman was a "million times more powerful than Thor" and only the magic weakness would thwart Big Blue if they fought. I bet you don't agree with those assessments.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeWhen you start debating and backing up your case I'll provide the link.
^Not that I doubt your words Quan but I would prefer the Link.He talks then about an individual with 95% of an "all-out-Superman". That's something different. How much of his 100% does Superman use, normally, restricted by his moral code?
We saw an all out Superman against WW. What appearances are you speaking about where his power raises to levels you are referring to?
Again someone with a different upbringing and just 95 percent of Superman's power so I see anyone with power eclipsing Superman's as beating Dd such as Thanos, Thor, etc. backed up by the writer of the story.
Originally posted by Omega VisionThis is Dan Jurgens opinion on an all out fight between DD from the story he wrote himself. Dd was always overrated and even the guy who wrote the story would chuckle as to the extents some choose to do so.
^ Utter bullshit, Quan. Superman's upbringing gave him the ability to focus and discipline his use of power to the point that he's one of the most skilled users of Kryptonian powers bar none.
This is why I ignore writer's statements if they don't make sense.
Dan Jurgens also said the Odin Force was planetary level power and that Superman was a "million times more powerful than Thor" and only the magic weakness would thwart Big Blue if they fought. I bet you don't agree with those assessments.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When you start debating and backing up your case I'll provide the link.We saw an all out Superman against WW. What appearances are you speaking about where his power raises to levels you are referring to?
Again someone with a different upbringing and just 95 percent of Superman's power so I see anyone with power eclipsing Superman's as beating Dd such as Thanos, Thor, etc. backed up by the writer of the story.
This is Dan Jurgens opinion on an all out fight between DD from the story he wrote himself. Dd was always overrated and even the guy who wrote the story would chuckle as to the extents some choose to do so.
I ask you again: do you think Superman is a million times as powerful as Thor? Jurgens said that in an interview and he's written both Superman and Thor.
Originally posted by xJLxKingI posted his exact words while you did no such thing. I backed up my claim while you did not.
It's funny. When I stated that I have read an interview about Scar dying, you automatically dismissed it because I couldn't post the interview. I later posted a scan(even better) and you had your ass handed to you.Now, the table has turn, and it's up to you to prove your claim.
Originally posted by Omega VisionWhether or not his upbringing is a strength or a hindrance is another issue entirely. I happen to agree with him though. If Superman went all out he'd be much more formidable than say if he were raised on apokolips then in smallville.
Retcons exist because not everyone has the right vision of the shared story.
Most other writers would agree that Superman's upbringing is a strength not a hindrance. Jurgens doesn't know what he's talking about.I ask you again: do you think Superman is a million times as powerful as Thor? Jurgens said that in an interview and he's written both Superman and Thor.
Jurgens recanted those statements and insisted he was joking or sarcastic.
The reason I posted this is because in his story he favors Superman at 95 percent power level with different upbringing against his DD. We are debating his DD so his opinion is indeed valid.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
(Supe also took the full OE)weird tho...cuz that means even some1 like specter or mxy cant snap him outa existence or somethin?
Those who are deemed essential to reality can not be killed with the OE.
Superman is essential, all other kryptonians and daxamites aren't (as shown by the OE). The Source>All
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not in comics. There are varying degrees of infinite power in marvel.I read an interview with the writer's thoughts on stacking up DD against other characters and he's nowhere near the level you have him on.
Wrong again.
he was also defeated quite easily by Imperiex Prime. Just because they took him to the end of time and because this was the manner in which they pulled it off doesn't suggest it's the only way. Owaw proves ya wrong along with the writer's thoughts.
There are several possibilities since HP DD can not be harmed by anything less than a universal destroying attack as implied by the HP comic.
1. Imperiex blasting DD was PIS.
2. Imperiex is abstract level and can fire universal destroying blasts.
Choose!
Originally posted by h1a8um OE is more then death, its oblivion (full OE=target erased, not jus killed) so...DD is suppose to be beyond oblivion to? 😕
It wasn't never mentioned thus he isn't. The writer only wanted to portray the fact that he was now beyond death and thus unbeatable (not essential).It was mentioned that Superman is essential and thus he is.
Originally posted by h1a8? it only state hes beyond death, if they dont specify scope then it means no force even in the Multiverse can kill him 4 good (cept end of time or entropy or w/e they call it)
There are several possibilities since HP DD can not be harmed by anything less than a universal destroying attack as implied by the HP comic.