HP Doomsday Vs Monarch

Started by KuRuPT Thanosi8 pages
KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member
Originally posted by Omega Vision
A single Captain Atom is pretty powerful. Energy and (to an extent I think) matter manipulation along with flight, super-strength, and manipulation of the Quantum Field which is similar to the Green in that its an intrinsic force of the DCU.
Just out of curiosity does anyone know if there's ever been a direct connection between the Speedforce and the various Elemental forces like the Red, Green, and so on?

None of which are Omnipotent qualities. So, what does increasing those things by 1,000,000 really mean in terms of omnipotence.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
None of which are Omnipotent qualities. So, what does increasing those things by 1,000,000 really mean in terms of omnipotence.

If you've read my arguments in other threads on the matter I believe that only one being should be omnipotent in any setting. Only Supreme Beings should be omnipotent but comics being comics tend to forget that.
He'd be nigh-omnipotent if you increased him to the levels you suggest. He was already a universal (and arguably multiversal or at least multi-universal) threat.

iceman24567 Senior Member

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
There was nothing omnipotent about him to begin so why would absorbing 1,000,000 more of him mean he's omnipotent now?
Nigh omnipotent like cosmic Extant level 😬

kevdude The Hooded Man
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Because if his power is really that of the Big Bang then its a pretty pathetic statement about the Big Bang to say that's all it can do. Imperiex was over-confident, he could have eliminated Superman and Doomsday with one blast but he just had to have his villainous gloating.

The thing is Imperiex pretty much did just that to Suerpman and Doomsday, the only reason Superman survived was because Darkseid saved him. His (DD) body did not regrow all by itself, help from Luthors tech was the main reason he returned (if at all). Darkseids main goal in OWAW had nothing to do with helping Earth. 😎

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by kevdude
The thing is Imperiex pretty much did just that to Suerpman and Doomsday, the only reason Superman survived was because Darkseid saved him. His (DD) body did not regrow all by itself, help from Luthors tech was the main reason he returned (if at all). Darkseids main goal in OWAW had nothing to do with helping Earth. 😎

Its a fanon theory of mine that pretty much every crossover between COIE and FC (with the possible exception of IC) was part of Darkseid's plans or at least played into them.
He helped save the DCU like five times because he couldn't let anyone else destroy/take it over before he did.

iceman24567 Senior Member

Remember what full potential Captain Atom was capable of? Something like that imo

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by iceman24567
Remember what full potential Captain Atom was capable of? Something like that imo

Bitching Nekron?

iceman24567 Senior Member

much more than that actually

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

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xJLxKing Senior Member

I guess beating the guy who owning the entire DCU is not impressive 😛

iceman24567 Senior Member

Originally posted by batdude123
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Batnub ftw 👆

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
This from the guy who always thinks an event takes place in comics only to find out he's always wrong. Aren't you sick and tired f spouting fabrications?

Whether Monarch is all powerful or not has nothing to do with this fight. Monarch has the power to slap DD around and play with him.

How is it a fabrication that if Monarch has infinite CA's he will be relatively omnipotent?

Now knowing that Monarch only has 52 CAs then this will be a hard fight for him. He might lose by ko.

iceman24567 Senior Member

^ in your dreams

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by h1a8
How is it a fabrication that if Monarch has infinite CA's he will be relatively omnipotent?

Now knowing that Monarch only has 52 CAs then this will be a hard fight for him. He might lose by ko.


Guardian amped Prime would utterly shit-stomp H/P DD, even in a pure fist fight he'd take a solid majority if not a stomp. Monarch was clearly Prime's superior in every way, including arrogance 😛 (which was his downfall).

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Guardian amped Prime would utterly shit-stomp H/P DD, even in a pure fist fight he'd take a solid majority if not a stomp. Monarch was clearly Prime's superior in every way, including arrogance 😛 (which was his downfall).

That's odd... You said HPDD would stomp Thanos in a h2h encounter yet Prime would stomp HPDD? That makes little sense. You put Thanos against Prime in a pure physical encounter and you have a very good fight on your hands. Both could win.

kevdude The Hooded Man
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Its a fanon theory of mine that pretty much every crossover between COIE and FC (with the possible exception of IC) was part of Darkseid's plans or at least played into them.
He helped save the DCU like five times because he couldn't let anyone else destroy/take it over before he did.

Here Darkseids real plans in OWAW.

http://yfrog.com/8cowawd001j
http://yfrog.com/8cowawdd001j

Here Darkseid is full powered and could have destroyed Brainiac 13, although he didn't.

http://yfrog.com/bgowawb001j

Would be a fight between HP Doomsday and Monarch. You don't get much higher in tech other then the Oans, the Guardians of the Universe and The Controllers.

h1a8 Senior Member
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Guardian amped Prime would utterly shit-stomp H/P DD, even in a pure fist fight he'd take a solid majority if not a stomp. Monarch was clearly Prime's superior in every way, including arrogance 😛 (which was his downfall).

IDK, HP DD seemed undefeatable by any force in the universe except by the end of time (a universal destroying force). I don't believe Gaurdian amp Prime would beat him minus bfr.

SoulDevourer M0DERAT0R

DD adapts & wins

/thread 😛

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by h1a8
How is it a fabrication that if Monarch has infinite CA's he will be relatively omnipotent?

Now knowing that Monarch only has 52 CAs then this will be a hard fight for him. He might lose by ko.

Because it is. Having infinite power is a far cry from omnipotent. I don't blame you though you just don't have the sense to figure it out.
Originally posted by h1a8
IDK, HP DD seemed undefeatable by any force in the universe except by the end of time (a universal destroying force). I don't believe Gaurdian amp Prime would beat him minus bfr.
The writer disagrees with your assessment of DD.

h1a8 Senior Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because it is. Having infinite power is a far cry from omnipotent. I don't blame you though you just don't have the sense to figure it out. The writer disagrees with your assessment of DD.

Having infinite power implies omnipotence (relatively at least). Show me one example where someone has infinite power and is not at least relatively omnipotent.

No he doesn't. If you read HP you will learn that the writer wrote DD to be beyond death and having no forces in the universe being able to end him except the end of time.