Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Again your failing to try and downplay it the process had already started then universe was already starting to collapse orion reversed it with no sign of being tired afterward or anything like that,surfer manipulated the crunch energies and then died immediately afterwards.
No u are the one who has failed to address anything ive said. The universe was already starting to collapse in reaction to the energy. When orion was able to somehow stop that energy. The process stopped. Whether he was tired or not is irrelevant cuz its not even the same type of feat as surfers. Surfer actually channeled an amount of energy that would be difficult for galactus himself to do. further i dont know why u keep bringing up surfer almost dying because surfer as already battered and in badshape before he channeled the energies.