SILVER SURFER vs ORION

Originally posted by fangirl101
Your argument fails on every level. Seriously. If the bomb had already been activated, that means that it had simultaneous began to destroy the universe on a quantum lvl. It was affecting everything all at once. Orion was the only one who control all of that energy at once. He not only stopped the process, but reversed the damaging effects all at once. Seriously, you are asking for definitive proof of the lvl of his power when you certainly cant' tell us just how powerful one would have to be to manipulate a piece of the cruch energies. Which is all Surfer did. He certainly didn't manipulate it all. Now did he?

lulz i thought i was on "perma ignore"? What nonsense. Well at least this time u have come with an arguement ( a nonsensical one but its better than nothing).

the bomb had already been activated and meaning it had tapped into the universe on a quantum level and hence was causing it to collapse on to itself. The energy of the bomb had tampered with the universe at the quantum level and by doing that was causing all the atoms in the universe to react. it wasnt the sheer force or the amount of the energy but rather it tampering with it at the quantum level. So u saying orion was controlling "all that energy" is just inane as what was special about the bomb wasnt the quantity of its energy but rather the special effects and properties the energy had.

Also surfer what was indicated was that surfer channelled "the energies of the crunch" and nothing more. It didnt specify anything other than that. What we do know is that surfer channelled enough of it to make galactus acknowledge the difficulty of his feat.

Originally posted by Naija boy
lulz i thought i was on "perma ignore"? What nonsense. Well at least this time u have come with an arguement ( a nonsensical one but its better than nothing).

the bomb had already been activated and meaning it had tapped into the universe on a quantum level and hence was causing it to collapse on to itself. The energy of the bomb had tampered with the universe at the quantum level and by doing that was causing all the atoms in the universe to react. it wasnt the sheer force or the amount of the energy but rather it tampering with it at the quantum level. So u saying orion was controlling "all that energy" is just inane as what was special about the bomb wasnt the quantity of its energy but rather the special effects and properties the energy had.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Epic fail. how do you explain the REVERSING of the effects? Orion reversed the quantum effects universe wide. Go slide down a barbed wire pole with jelly underwear on. You are so annoying.

lulz. orion reversed the quantum effects universe wide by nullifying the energy that was tampering with the universe at a quantum level. simple as that

Originally posted by Naija boy
lulz. orion reversed the quantum effects universe wide by nullifying the energy that was tampering with the universe at a quantum level. simple as that

Originally posted by fangirl101
Your understanding of quantum theory is sick. And not in a good way. If you set off a bomb that taps the Universe's quantum field at the same time, that means you have tapped the unlimted power of the quantum field. It doesn't matter about the bomb. The bomb once set off had already done it's job. The part that was hard was for anyone to control the QUANTUM FIELD and reverse the effects of the universe collapsing on itself. You are so god damned annoying. Really. Stop trying to down play the feat.

LOL. What do u think calling me annoying is going to achieve? U think it will improve ur argument? 😱

And seriously what sort of hack science are u trying to pass off here? Control the quantum field? Are u serious? where the heck was that even mentioned?

First of all it was obvious that the bombs energy was still working because it was stated that once the device had finished the universe would instantly collapse into a blackhole. However orion mentions that the atoms in the universe were already beginning to react to the implosion field. In other words the process had not yet finished because if it had the universe would have collapsed in an instant. IT was still in the early stages therefore and by nullifying the sphere effect which was just "beginning" to radiate Orion was able to stop the universe from collapsing onto itself.

Originally posted by Naija boy
. However orion mentions that the atoms in the universe were already beginning to react to the implosion field. In other words the process had not yet finished because if it had the universe would have collapsed in an instant. IT was still in the early stages therefore and by nullifying the sphere effect which was just "beginning" to radiate Orion was able to stop the universe/b] from collapsing onto itself.

Originally posted by fangirl101
That's the dummest shit I've heard in a long time. Really. The bomb had already went off and affected the universe's quantum field. Like the entire thing. You do understand what Universal means right? It means everything. You do understand that once a bomb is activated that it's energy is gone. It's done. It's released. There was no bomb energy to reverse. OMG. Let me calm down before I call you an idiot or a troll or something. Ok I'm calm. I'm not going to call you a fan boy or anything like that. I'm going to just say that you are trying to down play the feat. Orion contained the energies and reversed the effects on the quantum field UNIVERSE wide. Now. You cannot hope or dare to argue against that.

Really this is just ridiculous. U say that there were "NO ENERGIES TO REVERSE" and yet just a few words later say that Orion "CONTAINED THE ENERGIES" 😱

As for the rest of ur post see below

First of all it was obvious that the bombs energy was still working because it was stated that once the device had finished the universe would instantly collapse into a blackhole. However orion mentions that the atoms in the universe were already beginning to react to the implosion field. In other words the process had not yet finished because if it had the universe would have collapsed in an instant. IT was still in the early stages therefore and by nullifying the sphere effect which was just "beginning" to radiate Orion was able to stop the universe from collapsing onto itself.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Really this is just ridiculous. U say that there were "NO ENERGIES TO REVERSE" and yet just a few words later say that Orion "CONTAINED THE ENERGIES" 😱

As for the rest of ur post see below

Originally posted by fangirl101
I highlighted a few things to aid you. By the way, These are your words.

Wait so u are only able to read when words are in bold print?! 😱
did u not see all the other words inbetween? Ok i will help u out there.

I have never disputed the fact that orion was able to stop the universe from collapsing onto itself. Im simply providing the context and methods to with which he did it and therefore pointing out its irrelevance in this match.

Heck i even put it in italics just in case u need anymore reading aid.

Further in ur foolishness u have even absolutely destroyed any relevance that the orion feat has here. U claimed that there were no bomb energies for Orion to nullify. If that is so then the feat in no way shows anything at all in regards to his energy manipulation abilities and no way in hell proves he is superior to surfer. Yep with ur own words u just removed all relevance of the feat from this fight. Impressive 😱

Originally posted by fangirl101
There were no bomb energies to reverse. Are you slow or what? Damn. You are. He was reversing the quantum fields energies. Damn. Give up. You lose. Orion's energy feat is impressive and superior to the ambiguous cruch feat of the surfer.

lol. so now ur plan is to formulate things from out of nowhere?

Nowhere was there any mention of the energies of the "quantum field" where in the world u got that from only God knows.

Originally posted by Naija boy
lol. so now ur plan is to formulate things from out of nowhere?

Nowhere was there any mention of the energies of the "quantum field" where in the world u got that from only God knows.

Surfer 7-8/10 if orions lucky.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Surfer 7-8/10 if orions lucky.

Originally posted by fangirl101
And tyrant and thanos in your sig show just how unbiased and informed on Orion you are. 🙂

facepalm

Originally posted by fangirl101
And tyrant and thanos in your sig show just how unbiased and informed on Orion you are. 🙂

same could be said for your darkseid sig,lol ive been reading stuff with orion in for over 25 years so i think i know orion loses here.

Originally posted by Nihilist
your a joke.

same could be said for your darkseid sig,lol ive been reading stuff with orion in for over 25 years so i think i know orion loses here.

Originally posted by fangirl101
anyone who actually reads DC's comics knows that the quantum field is what ties that reality together. The bomb was a quantum bomb. I hate when someone tries to demean a feat and they dont' even know jack about the comics. You dont' know jack. We do know that Orion reversed said effects of the universe destroying bomb. and we also know that the atoms in the UNIVERSE had already been affected. As in the UNIVERSE. all over. He manipulated universal lvl energy. I dont' give a damn if the enrgy was only able to turn all beings into flowers. If it can do that all over the universe at once time, it's still universe lvl energy.

Oh please. that is just pathetic. Trying to play the whole " u dont read Dc comics" card is just pitifully weak when the matter being discussed is clearly there for all to see on panel. and then trying to emphasize ur point by simply making blanket statements like repeatedly saying that " Orion manipulated universal level energy" without providing any such proof is even more laughable

Nowhere was the energy of the quantum field even mentioned. and yet u expect us to believe that orion somehow manipulated it even though no such thing was mentioned. What we do know is that the energy of device was still at work because once it was finished the universe would collapse instantly. Orion conclusively proves this by saying " a sphere effect is beginning to radiate from the bomb" which proves that it was still working and he also mentions that evry atom in the universe was in the process of reacting. If the device had finished as u say, the universe would have already instantly collapsed into a blackhole. This was obviously not the case.
Therefore it is clear that by stopping the device before it could complete its task, orion stopped the universe from collapsing on itself.

EDIT. My argument is conclusively proven through the statement " "the oblivion bomb is activated, there is no way it ( referring to the oblivion bomb) can be stopped" Orion then comes in and says "there is nothing that has been done that i cannot cause to be undone" He is clearly referring to reversing the processes of the oblivion bomb.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Please. Orion is Superman's physical equal and We know that without exploiting weaknesses, Surfer would have a hell of a time beating Superman. So how does he beat Someone who is Superman's superior in travel speed, skill, energy output and energy manip and versatility?
He won't. At best they stalemate or Orion unleashes the full power of the af and 2 or 3 shots Surfer.
What's Surfer gonna do? Matter manip Orion? Lulz. Orion has performed many of the feats he's used the mb for on his own with his af. Surfer gonna punch orion out? LMAO. Blast him? Lulz. Orion has shielded himself from the Omegas. You obviously haven't read enough Orion stuff.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Oh please. that is just pathetic. Trying to play the whole " u dont read Dc comics" card is just pitifully weak when the matter being discussed is clearly there for all to see on panel. and then trying to emphasize ur point by simply making blanket statements like repeatedly saying that " Orion manipulated universal level energy" without providing any such proof is even more laughable

Nowhere was the energy of the quantum field even mentioned. and yet u expect us to believe that orion somehow manipulated it even though no such thing was mentioned. What we do know is that the energy of device was still at work because once it was finished the universe would collapse instantly. Orion conclusively proves this by saying " a sphere effect is beginning to radiate from the bomb" which proves that it was still working and he also mentions that evry atom in the universe was in the process of reacting. If the device had finished as u say, the universe would have already instantly collapsed into a blackhole. This was obviously not the case.
Therefore it is clear that by stopping the device before it could complete its task, orion stopped the universe from collapsing on itself.

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Originally posted by Nihilist
thats your opinion,which is heavily biased and wrong,but thats fine.