Mace vs. Ulic Quel-Droma

1. Sabers
2. Force
3. All out

As a darksider Ulic is vulnerable to Vaapad, yet his wookieepedia page implies that he's a reasonably accomplished swordsman.

Thoughts?

Interesting thread.

Sabers:
Here I would definately take Mace, his mastery of Vaapad would put him among the top 5 swordsman of all time. This is no knock on Ulic though as he did manage to stalemate Exar Kun.

Force:
Here is the tough one. On one hand we Mace Windu who was second only to Yoda in terms of the Force among Jedi. He was also powerful enough to single-handedly defeated an army of Super Battle Droids and a seismic tank with his bare fists. On the other hand you have Ulic Qel-Droma a man powerful enough to withstand The Dark Reaper and capable of challenging Exar Kun. I say a draw.

All Out:
Windu, His mastery of Vaapad and skill with a blade would be too much for Ulic to handle.

Windu barely makes the top 5 of his own era. Depa Billaba, by Mace's own admission, had surpassed him in bladework by Shatterpoint, Sora Bulq mastered Vaapad as well as every single fighting technique the Order taught, both classical and experimental, according to the databank, and Shadowhunter confirms both Anoon Bondara and Yoda to be his superiors in the department (the former is declared second to none in technical ability in the entire order, and the latter the most technically skilled on the Council). Ulic possessed an absolutely abnormal ability with the lightsaber (as substantiated by a feat which I absolutely refuse to continue bringing up), and on top of that, after gaining a Sith amulet, is seen by other dark siders to be literally "rippling" in dark side energies. And for the record, it was an injured Ulic Qel-Droma that stalemated Exar in a lightsaber fight, despite the latter's own exceptional ability with a lightsaber and his far superior command of the Force. Ulic takes this.

Sora Bulq did not master Vaapad; as Windu himself says "Vaapad mastered him. It is regarded as the deadliest and most demanding lightsaber form of them all, requiring that the user being a "high end master of multiple forms" (Fight Saber). This, coupled with his shatterpoint charism, gives him an incredible combat advantage that is difficult to replicate and counter; it enabled him to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in galactic history in single combat where three other celebrated swordsmen and Yoda himself did not. It gives him a remarkable advantage over Ulic and so he takes the lightsaber duel and quite possibly the all out fight.

EDIT

Originally posted by Gideon
the most powerful Sith Lord in galactic history

Prove it!

I want scans to verify the existence of the evidence you put up, and I want a literary analysis of whatever quote you bring up to prove that they undeniably fit your interpretation.

Too bad. I'm not dancing this particular dance again. You've seen the sources dozens of times and they are scattered across an even greater number of threads. And my interpretation is right because, well, I can understand context.

Anything contrary to the straightforward interpretation requires the burden of proof.

No. That it might appear "straightforward" to the less accomplished readers among us is not reason enough to declare it undeniable fact. The burden of proof always falls on the person who makes the claim. You made the claim: prove up.

Wrong. Palpatine is referred to as the most powerful Sith Lord bereft of military or political context.

Again, substantiate. Provide the quote and surrounding passage via a scan to verify its authenticity, and provide me a complete literary analysis of each and every single word and how they connect. Do it now, or stop referring to it as an undeniable fact.

It is an undeniable fact. Deal with it. I'm not dancing this dance with you anymore. When you drop your Ancient Sith apologist attitude and resurrecting crushed arguments from Janus, you can message me by proxy or the PM system. Until then, you are on ignore. I'm not interested in your obstinance.

LOL, I don't remember giving a sh1t about the Ancient Sith. And no, it is not, and if you're going to be lazy about it you're in no position to make such claims.

Calm down Luna. I tried the Ancient Sith avenue and failed.

I agree with TheEskimo statement. I am going to go with Mace on this one.

Originally posted by Darth Luna
after gaining a Sith amulet, is seen by other dark siders to be literally "rippling" in dark side energies.

This is the definition of unsubstantiated especially when measured against Mace Windu's demonstration on Dantooine in the Clone Wars.

Originally posted by Allankles
This is the definition of unsubstantiated especially when measured against Mace Windu's demonstration on Dantooine in the Clone Wars.

Ask him what it means to ripple with dark side energy. Haha. I love to use his patented Lackoflogic against him. How would it have any pertinent relevence to a duel with Windu?

Originally posted by Gideon
Ask him what it means to ripple with dark side energy. Haha. I love to use his patented Lackoflogic against him. How would it have any pertinent relevence to a duel with Windu?

He doesn't recognize his own double standards, asking you for proof when his arguments are based on pure conjecture.

He really does make me embarrassed that I vouch for his intellect. He's so dependent on misdirection and double standards; Qel Droma's "rippling with dark side energies" is a sign of immense power and yet all of Palpatine's feats are inconsequential? I think he's going to remain on ignore. A public ban on Nebaris would be great. Let him come under a new account. Mock him and patronize him. But do not speak to him.

I think it's hilarious how he thinks that Mace being 'barely in the top five' of his own era is a bad thing when you consider how pretty damn incredible that era was. Most people would consider Depa Billaba, Anoon Bondara, Yoda, Dooku and the like to be naturally pretty uber people and have no bearing on earlier or later eras' fighters and how they compare to Mace