Replace "pretty damn incredible" with "over exposed" and you'd be correct. Nothing indicates that the era was especially impressive in the grand scheme of things. And please don't mention Dooku in the same breath as those others. He's an absolute joke of a swordsman, a one form master who literally has nothing to his name.
@ AllAnal:
By bringing up the term "double standards," you're quite clearly committing a False Comparison Fallacy; Gideon responded to a post I had made, thereby initiating the debate, making a claim that clearly demands proof. As such, asking him to substantiate his claim is completely expected. My original post, on the other hand, detailed something that didn't demand proof, but elaboration. Asking him to prove up on his claim, when it demanded proof, does not make me a hypocrite for not elaborating on something I'd previously brought up myself; as I said, you drew up a comparison between two completely non parallel events, and as such committed the Fallacy of the False Comparison.
However, to elaborate on it seeing as you're so desperate for it: Aleema looks at both Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma through the eyes of the Force, and notes that they were both rippling in dark side energies. No distinction is drawn whatsoever, she isn't in awe of Exar Kun specifically, she's in awe of both of them, which would lead us to deduce that through her eyes, they were both roughly seen to be just as strong in the darkside as the other. Meaning, Ulic's arguably on par in power with someone who's displayed the ability to instantly freeze thousands of beings in place, drain the Force from an entire race, momentarily resist a wall of light attack from thousands of Jedi, among numerous other titanic feats.
As for Mace's feats on Dantooine, they're clearly not consistent with the movie's portrayal of the Jedi, in particular Yoda (the established most powerful jedi of the era) struggling with basic telekinesis (what appears to have been his speciality), and Mace Windu himself being relatively useless at Geonosis. In a situation that would demand all of his strength, he displays nothing of the effectiveness he does at Dantooine. The CW series clearly portrays an unrealistic view of the Jedi in question.
Nothing indicates this era was impressive. Except the constant displays of incredible swordsmanship. And, as has been proven, Dooku was proficient in each form, bu specialized fully in Makashi-I fail to see how specializing is a bad thing.
And oh, look at Nebaris's argument: "I don't like it and think it shouldn't count!"
Sorry, Nebby. It's canon. You're not.
Originally posted by Publius II
While Qel-Droma is an absurdly talented swordsman, Windu's Vaapad and shatterpoint will likely prove damning here. It'll be one hell of a fight, though.
Nebaris's argument was essentially that Qel-Droma makes pretty lights with his dark side energies and then made an equally vague contention that that somehow puts him on par with Exar Kun; both are irrelevant. I am woefully ignorant of Qel-Droma's feats. What has he done that would put him on par with a Jedi Master who is the creator of the deadliest lightsaber form and a high end master of multiple forms, as well as the beneficiary of an ability that gives him an even greater supernatural perception in combat?
I'm with Faunus here, honestly. Ulic was an absurdly talented duelist, able to stalemate Exar Kun, kill a monster of a man like Warb Null, is described as a master Swordsman by the narration and in his worst state, was at least able to save his life from a berserk Jedi.
Oh, and he took down Mandalore the Ultimate in one on one combat with the guy in a freaking Basilisk war droid and won. On territory Mandalore set up to favor himself with Ulic in every disadvantage.
I'm saying Mace will win, but it'll be a hell of a fight.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'm with Faunus here, honestly. Ulic was an absurdly talented duelist, able to stalemate Exar Kun, kill a monster of a man like Warb Null, is described as a master Swordsman by the narration and in his worst state, was at least able to save his life from a berserk Jedi.Oh, and he took down Mandalore the Ultimate in one on one combat with the guy in a freaking Basilisk war droid and won. On territory Mandalore set up to favor himself with Ulic in every disadvantage.
I'm saying Mace will win, but it'll be a hell of a fight.
Good statement Lightsnake!
Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'm with Faunus here, honestly. Ulic was an absurdly talented duelist, able to stalemate Exar Kun, kill a monster of a man like Warb Null, is described as a master Swordsman by the narration and in his worst state, was at least able to save his life from a berserk Jedi.Oh, and he took down Mandalore the Ultimate in one on one combat with the guy in a freaking Basilisk war droid and won. On territory Mandalore set up to favor himself with Ulic in every disadvantage.
I'm saying Mace will win, but it'll be a hell of a fight.
Ulic is talented but his exploits by themselves don't really put him near enough Mace. And honestly I'd expect plenty of Jedi to deal with the likes of Mandalore and Warb Null. Also how skillful was Exar relative to people in the golden era? Can't really say.
And Basilisks in those Old Republic comics resembled large swoop bikes with relatively heavy armaments at the front (not as menacing as the ones in Kotor 2), I'm surprised Ulic didn't make lighter work of Mandalore there.
Originally posted by BOOG II
@ AllAnal:By bringing up the term "double standards," you're quite clearly committing a False Comparison Fallacy; Gideon responded to a post I had made, thereby initiating the debate, making a claim that clearly demands proof. As such, asking him to substantiate his claim is completely expected. My original post, on the other hand, detailed something that didn't demand proof, but elaboration. Asking him to prove up on his claim, when it demanded proof, does not make me a hypocrite for not elaborating on something I'd previously brought up myself; as I said, you drew up a comparison between two completely non parallel events, and as such committed the Fallacy of the False Comparison.
False comparison or otherwise you used Aleema's description of Ulic's lightshow as support for your claim that Ulic>Mace. If you're asking for proof about the claims of Palpy's superiority above all other Sith the evidence is in the ROTS novelization. His description as an event horizon of darkside energy, even clouding the Jedi's perception in the force. The feats are in Dark Empire, his ability to much force attacks with the greatest of Jedi etc etc.
Further it's double standards because you're willing to accept insubstantial remarks by Aleema over the overwhelming evidence of feats and statements favoring - in this case - Palpy and by extension Mace.
If you can't accept the more substantial evidence why are you so quick to accept the less substantial evidence for Ulic? Double standards i.e. it's good evidence as long as it is in favor of your character, insubstantial if it favors any other character.