Batman vs. Jango Fett

Why would it be "all over" if Batman can touch his jetpack?

I didn't see a single button or control device on it... and Jango doesn't touch it in order to blast off. So why would it matter?

And you never replied to my point about the armor, so I'm assuming you don't have anything to say about it. Batman can''t get through his armor at all, so he can throw punches all day and nothing will happen, whereas one head butt or one lucky shot and it's pretty much over. Plus he's got kamino darts and falmethrowers and the like... I'm getting tired of repeating myself. 😐

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Why would it be "all over" if Batman can touch his jetpack?

I didn't see a single button or control device on it... and Jango doesn't touch it in order to blast off. So why would it matter?

And you never replied to my point about the armor, so I'm assuming you don't have anything to say about it. Batman can''t get through his armor at all, so he can throw punches all day and nothing will happen, whereas one head butt or one lucky shot and it's pretty much over. Plus he's got kamino darts and falmethrowers and the like... I'm getting tired of repeating myself. 😐

As for the Jetpack, a blind guy swinging around a stick randomly disabled one of those...dunno, that might be a weak spot.

Originally posted by Bardock42
How do you know that Batman can't get through his armor?

Because a multi-ton beast hit him in his side and it didn't pierce his armor, he was splattered against the ground when his jetpack flew off, took multipel hits from Kenobi who's physical abilities are already amped by the force. Batman can't get through it.

As for the Jetpack, a blind guy swinging around a stick randomly disabled one of those...dunno, that might be a weak spot.

At this point I'm just going to quote msyelf as I hate redundancy and I hate repeating myself.

The jetpack in AotC is different from the one in RotJ

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Why would it be "all over" if Batman can touch his jetpack?

I didn't see a single button or control device on it... and Jango doesn't touch it in order to blast off. So why would it matter?

And you never replied to my point about the armor, so I'm assuming you don't have anything to say about it. Batman can''t get through his armor at all, so he can throw punches all day and nothing will happen, whereas one head butt or one lucky shot and it's pretty much over. Plus he's got kamino darts and falmethrowers and the like... I'm getting tired of repeating myself. 😐

Because Batman excels at H2H, if he's close enough to touch his jetpack, he's close enough to punch, kick, elbow, knee, headlock, arm-lock, slash at Jango with his wrist blades, toss him about etc.

In fact, I did reply. You're assuming the non-armored parts are still armored in some fashin; we don't know, they could just be canvas. Even then, Jango is gimped because of maneuverability in said armor, Batman could toss his ass around and break bones, armor or no. You're taking this silly stance that Jango is invincible in armor, he can still he manipulated and his bones can still be broken.

Edit: From the movie feats, I'd wager that Batman is considerably stronger than Jango too, as Jango didn't really have any.

Originally posted by Robtard
Because Batman excels at H2H, if he's close enough to touch his jetpack, he's close enough to punch, kick, elbow, knee, headlock, arm-lock, slash at Jango with his wrist blades or toss him about.

All of which is going to do.. what? Wrist blades won't get past his armor. No reason to believe so. I forgot about that, Jango has wrist-blades too. And a flame-thrower.

In fact, I did reply. You're assuming the non-armored parts are still armored, we don't know, they could just be canvas.

Maybe. Movies only logic is failure-only logic.

Even then, Jango is gimped because of maneuverability in said armor,

Jango's never had maneuverability problems. There is no material int he Star Wars universe that exists in our own.. meaning it could have different properties, or it maybe it doesn't. Just because the parts can be armored doesn't mean that it has to cut-of his maneuverability.

Batman could toss his ass around and break bones, armor or no.

Rancor couldn't break bones, jetpack crashing couldn't break bones, batman can't toss a grown man who weighs god knows how many hundreds of pounds due to armor around. Ever. Not enough to do any lasting damage anyway. He never displayed such strength.

You're taking this silly stance that Jango is invincible in armor, he can still he manipulated and his bones can still be broken.

Not by someone who only displayed not even peak-human strength in the two movies he's been in.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Because a multi-ton beast hit him in his side and it didn't pierce his armor, he was splattered against the ground when his jetpack flew off, took multipel hits from Kenobi who's physical abilities are already amped by the force. Batman can't get through it.

Actually, as I said, it didn't hit him, it hit the jetpack.

And that proves what?

We don't know how amped Kenobi's abilities are, to be honest, it didn't seem like he can dish more powerful blows than a normal human.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
At this point I'm just going to quote msyelf as I hate redundancy and I hate repeating myself.

Yeah, though that one, as well, did get ****ed by a smack on it.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
All of which is going

Maybe. Movies only logic is failure-only logic.

Jango's never had maneuverability. There is no material int he Star Wars universe that exists in our own.. meaning it could have different properties, or it maybe it doesn't. Just because the parts can be armored doesn't mean that it has to cut-of his maneuverability.

Rancor couldn't break bones, jetpack crashing couldn't break bones, batman can't toss a grown man who weighs god knows how many hundreds of pounds due to armor around. Ever. Not enough to do any lasting damage anyway. He never displayed such strength.

Not by someone who only displayed not even peak-human strength in the two movies he's been in.

If you're going to take the stance that Jango is "like a tank" in his armor, despite it not being shown in the movies, then accept that his 'tankiness' would hinder him in a h2h fight compared to someone not equally armored. To blindly want all the positives and dismiss the negatives that go with it 'just because', is foolish.

See, now you're assuming Jango weights what, 400+ pounds in gear? Yet you'd just assume he's as agile as a rabbit in said heavy gear. Even then, Batman could toss him about, over his shoulder and slammed into the ground, put him in an arm-lock and break his bones/joints etc.

Wayne was strong enough to pull up Raj (Neeson isn't a small man) with just one arm, while being at a awkward angle and holding onto his own life on a snow covered cliff, so yeah, he incredibly strong.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Doesn't matter. There's no evidence to say that it requires him to be mobiel either.

Dogs > His armor.

He raised his hand and it fired instantly. You don't know if it even uses a pilotlight, so you don't have a point.

Yes, it runs off his jetpack. Hence he can't use it in the air.

Not really.

Impossible. batman isn't skilled enough to sneak up on Jango, and he's nto strong enough to destroy the jetpack either. I already proved that the jetpack used in RotJ and AotC are different.

Jango wins. And I've yet to even bring up the kamnino sabor darts, which kill in one hit and are small and super fast... He doesn't need them to win though. That's just overkill.

1) Yes. That was my point.
I think you must mean "Theres no evidence to say that he can use it whilst mobile. I say, especially in regards to how awkward it looked on the time we do see him use it, that the onus is on those that say he can launch unawkwardly, to prove it.

2) Although dogs work different to blasters, fair point.

That dart, while rangey, hit bare neck. Its untested on armour, movies wise.

3) Something has to ignite the gas to make it flame, so yes there will be a pilot light at some point.

Batman is a master of stealth trained by ninja and always use stealth. And knowing every nook and cranny in Gotham.... advantage: Batman.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Actually, as I said, it didn't hit him, it hit the jetpack.

You're incorrect.

And that proves what?

We don't know how amped Kenobi's abilities are, to be honest, it didn't seem like he can dish more powerful blows than a normal human.

It seemed so to me. And every other piece of Star Wars history including the primary canon ones, support my point. Minus the movies of course.

Though it hardly matters. Bruce has ever displayed enough strength to get through mandalorian irion.

Yeah, though that one, as well, did get ****ed by a smack on it.

A smack by... a multi-thousand pound animal that could dismantle a droid by tapping it? And the initial smack didn't even total it. It was the smack, then running over it and grounding it into the floor repeatedly that totaled it.

hahahaha.

Originally posted by Robtard
If you're going to take the stance that Jango is "like a tank" in his armor, despite it not being shown in the movies, then accept that his 'tankiness' would hinder him in a h2h fight compared to someone not equally armored.

Comparatively speaking, sure. To what degree, and compared to a man who is, fact , wearing a big rubber suit. Who knows?

To blindly want all the positives and dismiss the negatives that go with it 'just because', is foolish.

I've never done any such thing.

See, now you're assuming Jango weights what, 400+ pounds in gear?

No.

Yet you'd just assume he's as agile as a rabbit in said heavy gear.

I never said he did, I just said that it's possible, and we've never seen him actively burdened by his own armor. Considering that people wore suits made out of a stone ore and moved faster than some Jedi... eh.

Even then, Batman could toss him about, over his shoulder and slammed into the ground, put him in an arm-lock and break his bones/joints etc.

Perhaps.

Wayne was strong enough to pull up Raj (Neeson isn't a small man) with just one arm, while being at a awkward angle and holding onto his own life on a snow covered cliff, so yeah, he incredibly strong.

Because pulling a regular man equates to pulling a man encased in a suit of armor

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
You're incorrect.

No, I really am not. He gets hit solely in the jetpack. The video is on the second page. His armor was not touched by the beast.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
It seemed so to me. And every other piece of Star Wars history including the primary canon ones, support my point. Minus the movies of course.

Yeah, well, it seems like it really sucks for you that we are discussing this in the Movie Vs. Forum then, don't it?

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
A smack by... a multi-thousand pound animal that could dismantle a droid by tapping it? And the initial smack didn't even total it. It was the smack, then running over it and grounding it into the floor repeatedly that totaled it.

hahahaha.

We don't know that actually. It was a hit that catapulted him about a metre into the air and 2 metres far though, either way, the Batpod's guns would easily penetrate Jetpack or worse... maybe even batarangs.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
All of which is going to do.. what? Wrist blades won't get past his armor. No reason to believe so. I forgot about that, Jango has wrist-blades too. And a flame-thrower.

Maybe. Movies only logic is failure-only logic.

Jango's never had maneuverability problems. There is no material int he Star Wars universe that exists in our own.. meaning it could have different properties, or it maybe it doesn't. Just because the parts can be armored doesn't mean that it has to cut-of his maneuverability.

Rancor couldn't break bones, jetpack crashing couldn't break bones, batman can't toss a grown man who weighs god knows how many hundreds of pounds due to armor around. Ever. Not enough to do any lasting damage anyway. He never displayed such strength.

Not by someone who only displayed not even peak-human strength in the two movies he's been in.

A lot of flame thrower talk. Useless against fast laterally moving targets moving round you at spped, and you cant walk forward with them as you get burned yourself.
And all the time hes missing, thats more escape juice he has used from the pack.

If he was so manuverable, how come the reek hit him..?
He is nowhere near as manuverable as Batman.
Hell. Show me just one clip of Jango running.

Batman uses Jujitsu, so strength is not as relevant as you maintain, you just work against the joints..

As for the "Theres no material in the SW universe the same as our own." I dont believe that.. Snow on Hoth, Rock on Tatooine, water on Kamino...

Originally posted by Final Blaxican

A smack by... a multi-thousand pound animal that could dismantle a droid by tapping it? And the initial smack didn't even total it. It was the smack, then running over it and grounding it into the floor repeatedly that totaled it.

hahahaha.

Nope. It was clearly Jango rolling on it.

If its so tough, explain Boba's fate then.
It was poked with a stick, accidentally by a blindman.

Next thing Boba is Sarlacc lunch having to explain embarrassedly to a fellow henchman in the that he "didnt go out like a punk,....honestly I didnt"...

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Comparatively speaking, sure. To what degree, and compared to a man who is, fact , wearing a big rubber suit. Who knows?

I've never done any such thing.

No.

I never said he did, I just said that it's possible, and we've never seen him actively burdened by his own armor. Considering that people wore suits made out of a stone ore and moved faster than some Jedi... eh.

Perhaps.

Because pulling a regular man equates to pulling a man encased in a suit of armor

From a movie standpoint it isn't rubber, Fox explained it was Kevlar and some other composites, don't be stupid.

Yeah, you did.

You were taking that stance that he is invincible in the armor and that he couldn't be manipulated by Batman because of how heavy it would be, yet you'd attribute that heaviness without accepting that said heaviness would then hinder him.

You're being stupid. He pulled a large man who was dangling with ONE ARM, while at an awkward angle and holding on himself with the other arm. Neeson easily weighs 200 lbs, so he's strong enough to curl 200 lbs with one arm. That is some serious strength.

It's ridiculous, I should argue with Sadako and Robtard about Jango winning that, instead I have to point out the ridiculousness of some of the points Jango supporters make. It's not a clear cut, 10/10, situation if we only go by the movies, it just isn't...

I get you guys, I read my share of Jango and Boba fiction and it's not a question if we take it into account, but we do not in this fight, so...

Originally posted by Bardock42
It's ridiculous, I should argue with Sadako and Robtard about Jango winning that, instead I have to point out the ridiculousness of some of the points Jango supporters make. It's not a clear cut, 10/10, situation if we only go by the movies, it just isn't...

I get you guys, I read my share of Jango and Boba fiction and it's not a question if we take it into account, but we do not in this fight, so...

Exactly.

Agreed.

They soundlike bat-nihilists.

Which sounds exhausting. 😛

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, I really am not. He gets hit solely in the jetpack. The video is on the second page. His armor was not touched by the beast.

YouTube video

We're watching the same video right?

I disagree with your assessment.

Yeah, well, it seems like it really sucks for you that we are discussing this in the Movie Vs. Forum then, don't it?

No, it makes it easier.

I say that because the force amps all of a Jedi's physical abilities it's logical to assume that his strength is amped as well.

Can anyone disprove this?

We don't know that actually. It was a hit that catapulted him about a metre into the air and 2 metres far though, either way, the Batpod's guns would easily penetrate Jetpack or worse... maybe even batarangs.

Except we don't know if the Batpod can aim it's cannons that high, and bat-a-rangs thrown by a human man won't move fast enough or be thrown with enough force to do lasting damage.

A lot of flame thrower talk. Useless against fast laterally moving targets moving round you at spped, and you cant walk forward with them as you get burned yourself.

Not useless at all, considering it doesn't fire inb ursts but a steady stream. A quick flick of the wrist and Batman is encased in fire. He cat't move his entire body faster then even a regular human can move his wrist.

If he was so manuverable, how come the reek hit him..?

The Rancor hit him because he was on the ground.

If Batman is so skilled and strong, why did he get floored for thirty seconds by dogs?

Batman uses Jujitsu, so strength is not as relevant as you maintain, you just work against the joints..

He's a master at Juijutsu? You can prove that using the two movies?

As for the "Theres no material in the SW universe the same as our own." I dont believe that.. Snow on Hoth, Rock on Tatooine, water on Kamino...

I'm talking artifical. Semantics. Moving on.

From a movie standpoint it isn't rubber, Fox explained it was Kevlar and some other composites, don't be stupid.

It was a joke, calm down.

Yeah, you did.

When?

You were taking that stance that he is invincible in the armor and that he couldn't be manipulated by Batman because of how heavy it would be, yet you'd attribute that heaviness without accepting that said heaviness would then hinder him.

Comparatively speaking, sure.

You're being stupid. He pulled a large man who was dangling with ONE ARM, while at an awkward angle and holding on himself with the other arm. Neeson easily weighs 200 lbs, so he's strong enough to curl 200 lbs with one arm. That is some serious strength.

Not necessarily. I've done the same thing but I can't curl 200 pounds. 😬 I don't think it's the same situation. I'm not an expert on anatomy though so I can't say for sure.

However, it doesn't matter. I covered my bases because I'm awesome. 😛

Rancor couldn't break bones, jetpack crashing couldn't break bones, batman can't toss a grown man who weighs god knows how many hundreds of pounds due to armor around. Ever. Not enough to do any lasting damage anyway. He never displayed such strength.

Considering Bale struggled immensely in doing that, what makes you think he can do so with enough force to hurt Jango?

It's ridiculous, I should argue with Sadako and Robtard about Jango winning that, instead I have to point out the ridiculousness of some of the points Jango supporters make. It's not a clear cut, 10/10, situation if we only go by the movies, it just isn't...

Nah.

If its so tough, explain Boba's fate then.
It was poked with a stick, accidentally by a blindman.

Here's what you're going to do right now.

You're going to read every post I've made, and stop ignoring things you can't reply to when I talk directly to you. You'll find your answer. I'm not repeating myself for you or for anyone else's sake any longer unless they actively refute it or put up some counter-point.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
YouTube video

We're watching the same video right?

I disagree with your assessment.

Are you serious?

I think it is pretty clear that he only hits his jetpack...

I will watch it again, but it seems so obvious.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican

No, it makes it easier.

I say that because the force amps all of a Jedi's physical abilities it's logical to assume that his strength is amped as well.

Can anyone disprove this?

...h-how about instead proving what you claim?

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Except we don't know if the Batpod can aim it's cannons that high, and bat-a-rangs thrown by a human man won't move fast enough or be thrown with enough force to do lasting damage

Well, we are totally in the realm of assumption here. We do know that the batpod can aim up and does have machine guns in it, the other stuff is indeed just assumptions

Originally posted by Bardock42
Are you serious?

I think it is pretty clear that he only hits his jetpack...

I will watch it again, but it seems so obvious.

Maybe I'm just an idiot. It wouldn't be the first time.

...h-how about instead proving what you claim?

That's not a counter-argument. And it's already fact that the force amps Jedi's base stats. Yoda can tie Sideous and Dooku in saber locks even though they're physically stronger, Obi-Wan's can tie in strength with Anakin even though Anakin's like 20 years younger. Dooku easily overpowered Obi-Wan even though Dooku is twice his age. Etc.

Well, we are totally in the realm of assumption here. We do know that the batpod can aim up and does have machine guns in it, the other stuff is indeed just assumptions

How far up?

This is my point, overall. btw. I think that making just movies by themselves is pointless.

And for the recod, everyone, I am aware that a large portion of my arguments are stupid. THey're deliberate to make a point. With the rules set-up the way they are they're valid arguments even thought they don't make a whole lot of sense. 😬

You can't honestly debate about a man who only has 10 minutes of screen time. 😬