Originally posted by Final Blaxican
If you give Frodo Baggins Superman's powers he could probably solo the entire Star Wars universe. 😐
RJ was trying to make a point that Jango's fight with Obi proves he's some bad-ass, when all he did was evade and run, two things Batman could do. Don't act foolish, you know better.
If Batman faced Obi with the Batpod, he'd probably fair better than Jango and his jetpack.
If someone is running at you with a glow-rod that can eviscerate you with one sweep than "evading" is the most ingenious thing you can do.
Fact of the matter is that Obi-Wan at that point moves so fast that he's essentially a blur to most people, and he's already one of the top knights that are "currently" in the order and he has command of an energy force that allows him to see things before they happen and has a super human boost in speed and strength and perception. The fact that even without his jet pack Jango was able to give Obi-Wan enough of a fight that the Jedi Knight was, quote on quote, "lucky to escape with his life", is proof enough hat he's a certified badass.
Jango only had the jetpack for about ten seconds before Obi-Wan floored him, and even then it's supposedly such a complicated instrument to use that the majority of life forms in the galaxy are hard pressed to use one without killing themselves. Being able to aim and not miss a single shot while jetting around in one is near impossible.
If Batman faced Obi with the Batpod, he'd probably fair better than Jango and his jetpack.
If the Batpod fired blaster bolts instead of machine gun bullets probably not. Obi-Wan can simply force push the glorified motorcycle over or yank Bruce off, or deflect the bolts back.
Jedi have trouble against ballistic rounds though.
Originally posted by Final Blaxican
If someone is running at you with a glow-rod that can eviscerate you with one sweep than "evading" is the most ingenious thing you can do.Fact of the matter is that Obi-Wan at that point moves so fast that he's essentially a blur to most people, and he's already one of the top knights that are "currently" in the order and he has command of an energy force that allows him to see things before they happen and has a super human boost in speed and strength and perception. The fact that even without his jet pack Jango was able to give Obi-Wan enough of a fight that the Jedi Knight was, quote on quote, "lucky to escape with his life", is proof enough hat he's a certified badass.
Jango only had the jetpack for about ten seconds before Obi-Wan floored him, and even then it's supposedly such a complicated instrument to use that the majority of life forms in the galaxy are hard pressed to use one without killing themselves. Being able to aim and not miss a single shot while jetting around in one is near impossible.
If the Batpod fired blaster bolts instead of machine gun bullets probably not. Obi-Wan can simply force push the glorified motorcycle over or yank Bruce off, or deflect the bolts back.
Jedi have trouble against ballistic rounds though.
Again, are you interjecting? I don't remember Obi coming at Jango in "blurring" speed, I know Jedi have these powers, but did he actually use them in that fight? Despite what Obi said, he clearly was the winner, as Jango had to flee or he would have been dead; not the other way around. If Jango could have killed him, he would have, it would have been the smart thing to do.
Your "Obi would just *force powers*" points are irrelevant here, if Obi had been written more intelligently, he would have just done the same to Jango. Force-pulled the gun out of his hand and then Force-slammed him to the ground. I believe you mentioned this in a different thread, about Jedi not using their uber advantages of the Force to win battles far easier in the movies.
Sorry, Jango of the movies isn't Jango of the novels, I haven't read the novels but I have read snippets here and there, Jango of the books would school Jango of the movie; easily too.
Originally posted by Robtard
Again, are you interjecting? I don't remember Obi coming at Jango in "blurring" speed, I know Jedi have these powers, but did he actually use them in that fight? Despite what Obi said, he clearly was the winner, as Jango had to flee or he would have been dead; not the other way around. If Jango could have killed him, he would have, it would have been the smart thing to do.
What are you talking about? Jango left because he thought Obi-Wan was dead. They both fell over the side of the platform and Jango was clutching to the side with his wrist blades while Obi-Wan was dangiling over the water by the steel cable that was tied around his hands that Jango had attached to his own wrists. Jango cut the rope and looked over the edge and Obi-Wan was no where to be found so he assumed that he had plunged into the water and was, thus, dead. So he got up and left. He never "ran away".
As for powers, yeah. He did. He used the force to dodge some blaster bolts and a missile, jumped about thirty feet into the air and karate kicked Jango to the ground, force pulled his lightsaber, did some kung-fu flips... yeah I'd say he used his powers.
Your "Obi would just *force powers*" points are irrelevant here, if Obi had been written more intelligently, he would have just done the same to Jango; I believe you mentioned this in a different thread, about Jedi not using the their uber advantages of the Force to win battles far easier in the movies.
In vs. battles PIS doesn't apply. Ever.
But even then Obi-Wan has used the force in battle before. He force pushed Greivous 50 feet up into the air, tugged his lightsaber away from Jango when he dived for it, etc. The bat-pod is a non-living piece of metal. In the Jango/Obi-Wan fight Obi-Wan tugs a peice of metal. Thus, even if we were to use your logic he could still just tug the batpod or even nudge the wheel a little bit.
Sorry, Jango of the movies isn't Jango of the novels, I haven't read the novels but I have read snippets here and there, Jango of the books would school Jango of the movie; easily too. [/B]
And they'd both beat movie Batman.
Originally posted by Final Blaxican
What are you talking about? Jango left because he thought Obi-Wan was [b]dead. They both fell over the side of the platform and Jango was clutching to the side with his wrist blades while Obi-Wan was dangiling over the water by the steel cable that was tied around his hands that Jango had attached to his own wrists. Jango cut the rope and looked over the edge and Obi-Wan was no where to be found so he assumed that he had plunged into the water and was, thus, dead. So he got up and left. He never "ran away".As for powers, yeah. He did. He used the force to dodge some blaster bolts and a missile, jumped about thirty feet into the air and karate kicked Jango to the ground, force pulled his lightsaber, did some kung-fu flips... yeah I'd say he used his powers.
In vs. battles PIS doesn't apply. Ever.
But even then Obi-Wan has used the force in battle before. He force pushed Greivous 50 feet up into the air, tugged his lightsaber away from Jango when he dived for it, etc. The bat-pod is a non-living piece of metal. In the Jango/Obi-Wan fight Obi-Wan tugs a peice of metal. Thus, even if we were to use your logic he could still just tug the batpod or even nudge the wheel a little bit.
And they'd both beat movie Batman. [/B]
It's been awhile, I don't remember Obi fake falling, I believe you though.
Point was, he could have used his Force powers far more effectively in that fight.
I agree, that's why the "Obi would just Force whatever to Batman" is irrelevant here. I'm not arguing that Obi couldn't beat Batman and the Batpod if plot stupidity isn't a factor, Obi all out would win quickly against Batman. In turn, if plot stupidity wasn't a factor, he would have destroyed Jango with the full spectrum of his Force abilities and easily too. Would have disarmed him, pushed him to the ground etc.
Novel Jango or Boba vs movie Batman, they'd probably win, going off what little I know/heard of the written material. The novels are irrelevant here, though.
Edit: Movie Batman vs movie Jango in the specified scenario, Batman wins.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
One big advantage Jango has is that he will kill without a second thought.
How is that an advantage? This is a Vs fight; hero morals are thrown out the window, Batman would not give Jango a free-pass to continue fighting once he had him. They're both in it for the win.
Originally posted by Final Blaxican
The Attack of the Clones novel states that Mace was barely able to parry Jango's shots when he was shooting with only one pistol, because his aim and speed is so great.
I haven't read the novels, but your claim that they are the same is in error by one example you have provided. I think the film (Ep II) made it quite a point that Jango was no match for Mace and he was easily dispatched.
Just on a side note, that's also one of my favourite moments from EpII. The scene where Jango dashes for Mace's dropped lightsaber, and then Mace retrieves it with the force with a look on his face like, "now what mofo, you think you can take me?" 😎
Originally posted by RobtardWell, if they are at a certain point in the fight, and Batman sees an oppurtunity to win, but knows if he does he will kill Jango, he will hold back. Jango will never hold back.
How is that an advantage? This is a Vs fight; hero morals are thrown out the window, Batman would not give Jango a free-pass to continue fighting once he had him. They're both in it for the win.
Originally posted by Placidity
I haven't read the novels, but your claim that they are the same is in error by one example you have provided. I think the film (Ep II) made it quite a point that Jango was no match for Mace and he was easily dispatched.
It didn't make that point at all, imo. Mace just ran toward him and lopped his head off. All the book says is what Mace is thinking at the time that he does it. It's not like he was smiling the whole time or something because of how easy it was. There's no contradiction.
Point was, he could have used his Force powers far more effectively in that fight.I agree, that's why the "Obi would just Force whatever to Batman" is irrelevant here. I'm not arguing that Obi couldn't beat Batman and the Batpod if plot stupidity isn't a factor, Obi all out would win quickly against Batman. In turn, if plot stupidity wasn't a factor, he would have destroyed Jango with the full spectrum of his Force abilities and easily too. Would have disarmed him, pushed him to the ground etc.
Ultimately, you're correct. It was well within Obi-Wan's power to just snap his neck or something but he never does. I'll give you that.
Edit: Movie Batman vs movie Jango in the specified scenario, Batman wins.
I still disagree. How is Bruce going to even get at him? As I stated before, he has a jetpack which can launch him hundreds of feet in about a second, and has homing missiles on his back. We don't know if the Batpod can even aim it's guns higher then twenty feet off the ground, and are you assuming that Batman will be able to drive it at a hundred miles per hour through the Gotham streets while firing at Jango while pulling tight turns while dodging misses while dodging Jango's expert blaster fire? With the Batpod Bruce gas literally zero protection. His whole bodies exposed to blaster fire and the like. The Batpod isn't going to work against a flying opponent.
On foot Batman's greatest ally, darkness, will be useless because Jango's visor makes him see in the dark. On top of that Jango's got blades that pop out of the sides of his wrist gauntlets, a flamethrower, steel rope, of course his missiles, and his trade-mark blasters. How is Batman going to even get close to him? If he somehow gets at him Jango's wearing a full set of mandalorian iron armor that's partially lightsaber resistant and nullifies just about all hand-to-hand damages. He's a walking tank that can fly...
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, if they are at a certain point in the fight, and Batman sees an oppurtunity to win, but knows if he does he will kill Jango, he will hold back. Jango will never hold back.
I believe in these Vs fights, it's for the win, not "I'll win, as long as I don't hurt the other person."
Originally posted by Final Blaxican
I still disagree. How is Bruce going to even get at him? As I stated before, he has a jetpack which can launch him hundreds of feet in about a second, and has homing missiles on his back. We don't know if the Batpod can even aim it's guns higher then twenty feet off the ground, and are you assuming that Batman will be able to drive it at a hundred miles per hour through the Gotham streets while firing at Jango while pulling tight turns while dodging misses while dodging Jango's expert blaster fire? With the Batpod Bruce gas literally zero protection. His whole bodies exposed to blaster fire and the like. The Batpod isn't going to work against a flying opponent.On foot Batman's greatest ally, darkness, will be useless because Jango's visor makes him see in the dark. On top of that Jango's got blades that pop out of the sides of his wrist gauntlets, a flamethrower, steel rope, of course his missiles, and his trade-mark blasters. How is Batman going to even get close to him? If he somehow gets at him Jango's wearing a full set of mandalorian iron armor that's partially lightsaber resistant and nullifies just about all hand-to-hand damages. He's a walking tank that can fly...
I'll concede that Batman is at a disadvantage when it comes to weapons, as he doesn't have a pistol, on-person rocket or flamethrower and the Batpod while powerful, would probably be useless with the exception of making a tactical retreat if Jango goes airborne.
Jango's armor isn't all that great, he has numerous unprotected areas on his body, just look at a picture, so he isn't a "flying tank".
If Batman were to stupidly charge him, I think he'd lose. Batman isn't a moron and he can easily see how well armed Jango is, so I don't see that happening. I think Batman would win as he'd use Gotham to his advantage, a home field advantage here is a huge plus, his grappling gear could be used to entangle Jango, he has bombs strong enough to blow a hole in a brick wall, the batarangs are strong and accurate enough to knock a pistol out of an opponents hand, his wrist blades could be used lethally up close, his retard 'I can call a swarm of bats' thing could also be used to distract Jango, he has several options other than just charging an obviously well armed Jango.
I don't remember Jango having this super night vision, thermal vision etc. in the films. When did he use it?
Originally posted by Robtard
Jango's armor isn't all that great, he has numerous unprotected areas on his body, just look at a picture, so he isn't a "flying tank".
Well, he has to have some decent armor, I mean, just look at what the big beast does to him, and he still gets up:
And we are going strictly off of what we saw Jango do. I don't recall him having any special visors.
The Fett armour jet pack's vulnerability/lack of reliability, is to be considered.
In both AOTC and ROTJ its pretty clear that that pack is susceptible to being fubared with even the most minor of damage/glancing blow with fatal consequences for the user..
(The kind of blow that Batman is likely to be able to inflict many times over.)
And I would dispute the speed of Jango's jet pack. It clearly cannot do hundreds of feet in a second. Proponents of the jetpack asserting that forget that its dragging a heavy assed suit of armour with a heavy set guy in it, and all that drag/wind resistance... Not to mention the rate of acceleration requiring perhaps longer than that second to achieve the velocity in question. etc
The best evidence of all though is in the movies where his rates of speed are shown on camera as being much less than is chatted about here.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So Batman's persona and fighting style is not to be considered?
It's obvious you think Jango wins here, as you vehemently argued that Boba would beat Batman in the previous thread, despite Boba being utterly inept in the film; so now you're reaching for any conceivable nonsense you can here.
Batman is trying to win, his moral code is a non-factor in these Vs fights. So just stop the clowning about.
