Batman vs. Jango Fett

Originally posted by dadudemon

This, my friend, is what is called PIS. We have already discussed this. If it was shown traveling as fast as they usually travel, it would have been too fast to follow with the eyes. Remeber, this was written to entertain an audience, not keep with a standard velocity for continuity.

If we go by your logic, then we can count the blaster bolt that seemingly goes as fast as the speed of light. You know....same movie...where the panel was shot out to close the door. The panel thing exploded at the same exact time the bolt was fired.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the "laser" part of the blaster bolt is actually the trail left behind by the bolt itself.

I can't remember but I think we deemed blaster bolts to travel between 200-500 Mph. I highly doubt Batman could do jack crap against Jango firing both of his pistols with his mad dead shot fury.

This is not even a match, really. Jango wins this without effort.

For this discussion to last any longer than, "Jango dual pistols batman in 3 seconds" is rediculous. There is no debate.

Lucas being moron is no grounds to dismiss that lasers in SW universe travel significantly slower than bullets. /end fact

I don't remember that scene, can you youtube it? Taking you at your word, we have one scene of a accurate protrayal of a laser and hundreds of scenes of them moving stupidity slow. Ergo, SW lasers travel slow.

Batman is shown being adept at evading gun fire, it shouldn't be too much trouble for him to do so against Jango's little pistols and having the city of Gotham to use as cover.

Sure, if you look past what the movie shows you and you attribute all the badassery we'd like to see/expect in Jango, then he wins. <--- this is the main argument for Jango here.

Movie per movie character and looking at it objectively, Jango loses to Batman in Gotham, maybe if they fought in an open desert and Jango was far enough away, then he'd win.

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As for the "Jango's armor protects him!" rants, his armor isn't all encompassing, there are multiple uncovered/unprotected areas. Just look at a picture, you clowns. He isn't a tank.

Batman has never fought an opponent who can fly. That may seem trivial but i think it has great weight in this match. Jango is an Intergalactic bounty hunter. He makes a living by hunting species of all kinds. Batman cracks down on thugs and the occasional mastermind. Jango's rocket, duel laser pistols, armor and flight capabilities is something that Batman would be ill prepared for, something that Batman and Bruce Wayne have NEVER experienced or seen before. This fact, coupled with Jango's combat awareness and experience spells an easy victory to me.

Originally posted by Robtard

As for the "Jango's armor protects him!" rants, his armor isn't all encompassing, there are multiple uncovered/unprotected areas. Just look at a picture, you clowns. He isn't a tank.

yes, but his armor covers the majority of his body especially the most accessible area's. If Jango is flying and shooting at Batman with his laser pistols, Batman isn't going to have time to aim his batarangs for an exposed area in Jango's armor under his arms. He is most likely going to try and disarm one of Jango's pistols or just hurl the batarangs blindly, either hoping for a lucky shot or enough distraction to gain cover. Even If Batman is able to detach Jango from his jetpack, Jango is still an experienced combatant in melee.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Batman has never fought an opponent who can fly. That may seem trivial but i think it has great weight in this match. Jango is an Intergalactic bounty hunter. He makes a living by hunting species of all kinds. Batman cracks down on thugs and the occasional mastermind. Jango's rocket, duel laser pistols, armor and flight capabilities is something that Batman would be ill prepared for, something that Batman and Bruce Wayne have NEVER experienced or seen before. This fact, coupled with Jango's combat awareness and experience spells an easy victory to me.

Batman took out the airbourne Joker easy enough at the end of the 1989 movie...

As for Jango's armour, its only as strong as its weakest link.
(Its jet pack in this case)

And Jango's clumsiness/inability to detect overhangs like doors/ frames that he and his clones keeping banging thier heads on may later play into it if Bats picks his spots well.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
yes, but his armor covers the majority of his body especially the most accessible area's. If Jango is flying and shooting at Batman with his laser pistols, Batman isn't going to have time to aim his batarangs for an exposed area in Jango's armor under his arms. He is most likely going to try and disarm one of Jango's pistols or just hurl the batarangs blindly, either hoping for a lucky shot or enough distraction to gain cover. Even If Batman is able to detach Jango from his jetpack, Jango is still an experienced combatant in melee.

That "flying" isn't flying like a nimble sparrow, it's more of a jump-jet, with not all that much maneuverability. It's definitely an advantage to have, but he isn't the Rocketeer.

When did Jango do anything to lead you to believe he could even last 10 seconds in a h2h fight with Batman?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Batman took out the airbourne Joker easy enough at the end of the 1989 movie...

As for Jango's armour, its only as strong as its weakest link.
(Its jet pack in this case)

I'm not sure what you mean about Batman taking down an airborne Joker. It's possible that im forgetting something but i only remember the Joker taking down the Batwing with a big ass hand cannon. Unless you mean when the Joker was hanging off of the Helicopter but in that situation the Joker was stationary and unaware of Batmans grappling hook.

As for the Armor, i'm not sure what you mean by Jango's jet pack being his weakest link. It is one of his greatest advantages. Even if he does lose his Jet pack he is still a formidable opponent that has more combat experience than Batman.

Originally posted by Robtard
That "flying" isn't flying like a nimble sparrow, it's more of a jump-jet, with not all that much maneuverability. It's definitely an advantage to have, but he isn't the Rocketeer.

When did Jango do anything to lead you to believe he could even last 10 seconds in a h2h fight with Batman?

Watch the fight scene against Obi Wan in Episode 2 next time you get a chance. Jango displayed great maneuverability with his jet pack in that scene. He can strafe and direct himself easily while moving at high speeds. Besides, He isn't going to need Superman like agility whilst in the air. Firing his laser pistols at Batman would put Batman on the defensive but while on the ground Batman may have a chance to counter but while flying through the air, Jango's direction is going to be quite unpredictable decreasing Batmans chance for counters even more.

I don't know if Jango could take Batman in a fist fight because we really haven't seen him fight. He did, however, Knock Obi-Wan on his ass in a hand to hand fight as well as defend himself against Obi wan after Obi Wan knocked him down. He was even able to get back to his feet after being knocked down by Obi Wan. This leads me to believe that at the very least he could hold his own against Batman in a fist fight.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I'm not sure what you mean about Batman taking down an airborne Joker. It's possible that im forgetting something but i only remember the Joker taking down the Batwing with a big ass hand cannon. Unless you mean when the Joker was hanging off of the Helicopter but in that situation the Joker was stationary and unaware of Batmans grappling hook.

As for the Armor, i'm not sure what you mean by Jango's jet pack being his weakest link. It is one of his greatest advantages. Even if he does lose his Jet pack he is still a formidable opponent that has more combat experience than Batman.

When the joker was on the helicopter's ladder, trying to make his escape.
Batman used some cable tied to a gargoyle that he shot at Joker or bataranged at him, (I don't remember which)... ensnaring him, as the chopper flew off, Joker was pulled down to his death.

With the jetpack, it's vulnerabilty/unreliablity is the issue.
And its limited range could be an issue in a dukeing out session in the dizzy heights of Gotham..

At ground/low level jumps/flights like Jango had in Aotc against Obiwan, would be negated, speed advantage wise, by Batman's Batbike thang. And it might leave Jango in range to be counterstruck against successfully. And Batman needs only hit that pack with something and Jango is screwed. Especially if Jango is 300 ft in the air at the time.

If Batman and Fett fell after Jango's pack went out, Batman could just 'spread his wings' and glide to safety. Fett would be south of the pavement and very very messy.

Batman is shown being adept at evading gun fire, it shouldn't be too much trouble for him to do so against Jango's little pistols and having the city of Gotham to use as cover.

Out of curiosity, can you point out the times Batman has actually evaded gunfire?

As for the "Jango's armor protects him!" rants, his armor isn't all encompassing, there are multiple uncovered/unprotected areas. Just look at a picture, you clowns. He isn't a tank. [/B]

You don't know what he could be wearing under it or what that material is made of though. It could be simple leather, it could be leather that's three inches thick and designed to keep sharp taloned creatures from breaching it, it could be meshed with some sort of steel. Going by just the movies we don't know what it's made so you can't say for sure how durable it is or if Batman will be able to penetrate it.

And to Sadako:

Any feats you've listed that take place in any of the other batman movie except for The Dark Knight and Begins don't count. This is Bale batman, meaning this Batman is many years younger less experienced then the batman in the older movies, and Burton's franchise is a completely different universe, and is thus non-canon to Bale Batman. You can't use any of the feats from the old movies.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
When the joker was on the helicopter's ladder, trying to make his escape.
Batman used some cable tied to a gargoyle that he shot at Joker or bataranged at him, (I don't remember which)... ensnaring him, as the chopper flew off, Joker was pulled down to his death.

With the jetpack, it's vulnerabilty/unreliablity is the issue.
And its limited range could be an issue in a dukeing out session in the dizzy heights of Gotham..

At ground/low level jumps/lights like Jango had in Aotc against Obiwan, would be neagted speed advantage wise by Batman's Batbike. And it might leave Jango in range to be counterstruck against successfully. And Batman needs only hit that pack with something and Jango is screwed. Especially if Jango is 300 ft in the air at the time.

Yeah, thats what i thought you were referencing. That was a good shot, sure but Joker was hanging on the ladder not moving and it wasn't shooting back.

If Batman is on his Batbike that is just an easier target for Jango. I never thought that Jango's jet pack would give him an advantage in speed unless he is fleeing and even then, if he needs to flee he can do so easily. Especially if Batman is on his Batbike. I presume that Jango would want to hope around and feel Batman out while keeping him on the defensive. I don't think Batman would have much time at all to Counter Jango because he would be to busy dodging his flurry of laser blasts. He could counter after taking cover but otherwise he would have to get lucky. If Jango loses his jet pack he still has his arsenal of weaponry minus one rocket. He also has a grappling hook as well.

As for the rooftops of Gotham. The height is not going to affect Jango one bit. He spends his life blasting through space at warp speeds and flying around on a jet pack.

And I fail to see why people are saying the jetpack is slow.

When Jango killed Zam he blasted off and he was gone in a second, out of view. The only times it moves slowly is when he wants it too.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Out of curiosity, can you point out the times Batman has actually evaded gunfire?

You don't know what he could be wearing under it or what that material is made of though. It could be simple leather, it could be leather that's three inches thick and designed to keep sharp taloned creatures from breaching it, it could be meshed with some sort of steel. Going by just the movies we don't know what it's made so you can't say for sure how durable it is or if Batman will be able to penetrate it.

Going to have to get back to you on that, as I haven't watched Begins in well over a year and only watched TDK when it came out in the threatres. I do recall Batman being shot at and him not being hit.

Correct, it could also be just a thin layer of silky fabric, because he likes the way it feels against his skin. But "armored" like the bits on his chest, biceps, calves etc., it clearly isn't.

It could be.

And it's definitely not as armored, yeah. But my point is it may very well be armored in some way, maybe even designed to be force absorbing. The point is that the movie doesn't show anything that point anything out either way.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
And I fail to see why people are saying the jetpack is slow.

When Jango killed Zam he blasted off and he was gone in a second, out of view. The only times it moves slowly is when he wants it too.

Well its not fast enough to definitely escape without a fast reacting Batman tethering you/taking out the pack..... IF the pack is working at all when Jango needs it and hasnt accidentally gotten rolled on like in AOTC or poked with a stick or something like in ROTJ.

Even in the numerous videogames where you play either Fett, the jet pack is always a relatively short range.

The jetpack in AotC is different from the one in RotJ, and it's not like it's fragile. It was horned by a multi-ton animal, and then ran over.

And why is it not fast enough to escape? Because a force sensitive was abel to catch up to him Batman can too?

And yeah it's relatively sort range. You can fly about a hundred feet in 5 or 6 seconds in Bounty Hunter. But that's more then fast enough.

What does it matter anyway if there are a few Exposed area's in Jango's armor? The most vulnerable area's are covered. The only area's that aren't are the area's out of sight. It seems to me that Batmans exposed head is a much more concerning issue than an exposed underarm. If Jango takes a batarang in his side it is going to be a flesh wound. If Batman takes a laser blast to the face he is going to be dead instantly.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
this Batman is many years younger less experienced then the batman in the older movies,

He may be younger, but less experienced, dunno 😐

Well... the two kind of go hand-in-hand. 😐 It's not like

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Well... the two kind of go hand-in-hand. 😐 It's not like

Some very, very old guy may be quite inexperienced while a twenty year old may have seen and experienced some major shit...

As you rightly pointed out, Bale Batman and previous franchise Batman are in no way the same person.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Yeah, thats what i thought you were referencing. That was a good shot, sure but Joker was hanging on the ladder not moving and it wasn't shooting back.

If Batman is on his Batbike that is just an easier target for Jango. I never thought that Jango's jet pack would give him an advantage in speed unless he is fleeing and even then, if he needs to flee he can do so easily. Especially if Batman is on his Batbike. I presume that Jango would want to hope around and feel Batman out while keeping him on the defensive. I don't think Batman would have much time at all to Counter Jango because he would be to busy dodging his flurry of laser blasts. He could counter after taking cover but otherwise he would have to get lucky. If Jango loses his jet pack he still has his arsenal of weaponry minus one rocket. He also has a grappling hook as well.

As for the rooftops of Gotham. The height is not going to affect Jango one bit. He spends his life blasting through space at warp speeds and flying around on a jet pack.

Yep but if he has a trademark pack screw up at altitude... hes doomed.

And the Batbike in the open yeah, he'd find it easier to draw a bead.
But riding through buildings, tight alleyways, malls, office buildings..?

We cant underestimate the evasive manuverabilty of Batman on that bike...
He pulled off some insane moves on that thing.

And if he could rig that stunt with the cables to take out Joker's Truck, then setting traps with it for a pursuing Jango to get incapacitated/decapitated by might not be entirely out the question.