Originally posted by janus77
logic vs comic precedence ❌Hulk has been through a wormhole unscathed, in fact it was a wormhole so powerful that The Silver Surfer couldn't endure it (passing out as a result).
Hulk's also been the nexus between two universes, outputting a universe of energy to keep a doorway open between one universe and the other.
he has quite a few feats that make it pretty much a certainty that a blackhole wouldn't have any effect on him.
Logic? Even comics are based on logic in some fundamental way.
I'm not trying to justify his power set etc., which would work against all logic but I would simply explain the type of primal force produced by a Black Hole.
In your opinion then, what can kill the Hulk pray tell, is a Supernova in the face sufficient enough?
I honestly, find it hard to believe, he can survive a black hole, when the strongest incarnation of the Hulk, was taken out by Reed's satellites (Willingly but still knocked out either way).
The worm hole was the only way to depower Silver Surfer enough to the point, where he wouldn't erase Hulk from existence. Simple but sufficient reasoning for most, nice work for Pak.
This is evident because of the fact, that Hulk's ship was able to survive the trip and the Silver Surfer was depowered to the point he couldn't even use the Power Cosmic for a while.
Don't read anything into that worm hole. Besides worm holes and black holes are completely different.
He has survived in Black Holes because of the power cosmic, but was affected by the worm hole to the point he was at his weakest ever. He stated that he could effortlessly avoid the worm hole and it's pull but "something was calling him to it" 🙄 .
Hulk has been the nexus between two realities?
A universe of energy? An entire universe? Clearly he must have been upgraded to a cosmic level entity when I wasn't looking or you're not giving any true context, or over exaggerating.
Seriously outputting an entire Universe of energy? Do you even comprehend what you just said?
Right.....an entire Universe.
What issue was this pray tell? I would enjoy to read this issue.
Either way, still doesn't change the fact, that once he is past the event horizon, and it's centre, the power there would rip him to shreds.
He has been knocked out, and seriously harmed, by much much less force than that of a black hole.
The way you phrase it, it's as if he would over power the Black Hole, and worm his way through it.
Originally posted by janus77
Onslaught Saga is the only 'test' available.other than that, there's direct evidence, many times, of Hulk being far superior to all the rest (say the mountain feat in Secret Wars), when they've all had an opportunity to share the burden but only Hulk has been able to.
God Blast would KO him, perhaps, but that's the first time, next time it'd be next to useless (Hulk just amps up).
also, Hulk is always holding back, as long as Banner is in there. Thor has never felt an Onslaught busting punch from Hulk and who knows how powerful his punches at the nexus of all realities were? they were rocking an infinite number of worlds across infinite dimensions...
to me, total power output places Hulk a league above Thor, but effective power - finesse and control - along with versatility give Thor the landslide in all out battle (BFR, naturally being the main avenue for victory).
What does the mountain in Secret Wars have anything to do with this?
It isn't like Thor was there, tried to support that small cavern with leverage like the Hulk did, failed, and then the Hulk succeeded. Doesn't prove anything.
Thor has arm wrestled with Hercules and produced shock waves that would knock a planet out of it's orbit (Back when Hercules was a real power house in leagues of Thor etc.). The simple shock wave of the force. Anyways, lets not start comparing feats. It won't get us anywhere.
If a God Blast knocked him out, which I know it would, if not kill him (Thor isn't holding back here correct?), which is a possibility. Anything that can make Galactus hurt that bad and flee, makes it a possibility.
Regardless, if he was knocked out, he would revert back to Banner would he not? Meaning that he would have to start amping from his base level.
The God Blast wouldn't be useless the second time around.
I so wish I could post scans, but I am to new unfortunately.
Thor was taking blows from a bannerless Hulk and he did not even have a bruise. Once he stopped holding back his strength, he sent Hulk flying.
A bannerless Hulk was the one that broke through Onslaught. Hell all Jean did was block of Banner's mind from the Hulk. During the fight with Thor, the two were completely separated.
Rocking an infinite number of worlds and dimensions? The way you make it sound, it seems that the entire Multiverse, shook to it's foundations with every blow (This was in what issue, 300 something. Before 320 I'm sure but I can't find the issue. It might have been lost when I moved. Damn)
Total power out put a league above Thor?
Christ, and they call Superman overrated.
Originally posted by Starscream M
Rage.of.Olympus:I don't believe the godblast is a viable attack against Savage Hulk. Savage Hulk is too fast and unpredictable to be hit by an such an attack. Godblast is viable only against slow moving opponents imo.
But I agree if Thor manages to hit Hulk with the godblast, he'll win.
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also, as to your inquiry about which version of Thor is used, it's Thor without Odinforce.
Originally posted by Starscream M
Rage.of.Olympus:I don't believe the godblast is a viable attack against Savage Hulk. Savage Hulk is too fast and unpredictable to be hit by an such an attack. Godblast is viable only against slow moving opponents imo.
But I agree if Thor manages to hit Hulk with the godblast, he'll win.
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also, as to your inquiry about which version of Thor is used, it's Thor without Odinforce.
In a barely conscious state, he was able to blast a charging Juggernaut with his God Blast.
It only takes a few seconds.
Besides, Savage Hulk is a moron who charges right at his opponents.
Bannerless Hulk, is even worse, his completely mindless. He charged right at Thor when they meet. He kept on coming.
Thor hitting him with a God Blast shouldn't be a problem. He doesn't have to predict where his going, the Hulk will come right at Thor himself.
He also doesn't have "any" mind to process the danger and jump out of the way. Most likely scenario, when Thor produces the God Blast, the bannerless Hulk runs at the blast and tries to punch it back.
He is a mindless savage who only wants to fight.
He also needs only seconds to produce the God blast. It doesn't need a stand etc. like he used against Galactus.
When has the godblast ever been used against a foe demonstrating even remote speed?
Juggernaut deliberately walked into the godblast to demonstrate its ineffectiveness against him.
Galactus is a huge target that barely moves.
When has Thor ever utilised the godblast against a mobile foe?
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also, I really don't see what Thor could do outside of godblast to KO the Hulk.
He has knocked out Hulk before with simple physical strength. He has a vast variety of powers that he could use (Absorbing all the Gamma Radiation Hulk has to the point where he can't produce enough to keep up with the absorption and revert to Banner. If he can absorb and redirect the energy of the null bomb that can destroy a Galaxy he has a decent shot as any of winning this way as well. If he can absorb that much energy, he could if he wanted, absorb tall the initial energy the Hulk has at once. Hulk could produce more, but with all of the Gamma gone at the same time should he not revert to banner? Just tossing ideas etc., it's interesting that way. I could make a list of possibilities).
I can make a list but it would be large.
You're forgetting the most important point. Thor's God Blast might take a second or two to charge, and it is a straight beam of energy, but the Hulk will walk right into it.
Read the appearances, look at his attitude. He is a complete moron who doesn't know when to give up. Banner less Hulk, will charge right into it just like the Juggernaut.
It's simply not in his nature to do otherwise.
um, I doubt Thor could revert Bannerless Hulk into Banner.
And you can't find me an example of Thor ever using godblast against a mobile foe. Hulk is not Juggernaut, Hulk is far more skilled and unpredictable whereas Juggernaut just runs straight at you. Also, it's not even in character for Thor to use godblast against Hulk.
Originally posted by Starscream M
um, I doubt Thor could revert Bannerless Hulk into Banner.And you can't find me an example of Thor ever using godblast against a mobile foe. Hulk is not Juggernaut, Hulk is far more skilled and unpredictable whereas Juggernaut just runs straight at you. Also, it's not even in character for Thor to use godblast against Hulk.
Hulk is not more skilled than Juggernaut. 😐
Thor going all out would smite Bannerless Hulk.
Originally posted by Starscream M
um, I doubt Thor could revert Bannerless Hulk into Banner.And you can't find me an example of Thor ever using godblast against a mobile foe. Hulk is not Juggernaut, Hulk is far more skilled and unpredictable whereas Juggernaut just runs straight at you. Also, it's not even in character for Thor to use godblast against Hulk.
Dude, Hulk is much less skilled than Juggernaut who was in the army etc.
Don't you understand what I am saying?
Banner less Hulk is mindless. He was attacking, this Godly being who consumes energy in the nexus of realities, and that being didn't even notice him. He simply flicked Hulk of if him, yet Banner less Hulk kept on charging directly at him.
Don't you get the point, his mindless, he doesn't think. He will simply charge at him like he has done with everything single opponent he fought when he was Banner less.
There's nothing unpredictable about him, he will grab whatever closest to him and run at Thor with it.
Savage Hulk could at least think, process things, realize when he was in danger etc. Banner less Hulk is completely mind less.
This isn't me making up crap, Banner less Hulk has charged after every single one of his opponents no matter who they were.
Thor stopped holding back his strength against Banner less Hulk and was knocking him of his feat and sending him flying with every blow because he realized he was a true monster and there would be no point holding back.
The God Blast is a valid option. There is no Banner, no mortal life at stake.
Oh yea, my bad about him reverting to Banner bit. There is no Banner. Can't believe I got that confused. Must have been really tired yesterday
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There's nothing unpredictable about him, he will grab whatever closest to him and run at Thor with it.
lol you vastly underestimate hulk (please watch the new animated movie Hulk vs Thor if you get the chance)
mindless hulk doesn't mean he has no mind....if that were the case, he would just sit on his ass and drool all day
mindless hulk simply means bruce is no longer part of the hulk...its savage hulk's own mind
he is no dummy...in fact he is like Doomsday (from DC). he only seeks to destroy and kill, but is very intelligent.
Have you ever seen the Bannerless Hulk in action?
I mean have you read the issue when he fought Thor or when he was separated?
He did nothing but roar and drool. I mean literally. It was stated that he could not comprehend words, they were nothing to him and had no meaning. All he knew was rage and anger. All he wanted to do was hit things.
He attacked everything in his vicinity that moved. Even still objects.
Honestly, if you read the content, we wouldn't have this conversation.
All he does is run at you and attack you. Literally. The only issue he isn't fighting is when he transported to a planet where he is powerless.
I didn't see any sign in any of his appearances, that he has more brain power, than a crazed pit bull.
There's nothing to underestimate. He only acts on some basic primal instinct.
I have watched the Hulk vs. movie. Not very accurate in terms of power. They made Thor scream like a girl and take a savage beating. Well I guess, that's why it isn't cannon.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI would say it's very accurate depiction of how a battle between Thor and mindless Hulk would play out....ie Hulk would dominate.
I have watched the Hulk vs. movie. Not very accurate in terms of power. They made Thor scream like a girl and take a savage beating. Well I guess, that's why it isn't cannon.
Hulk has an insane HF, and can take pretty much anything Thor could dish. Thor, however, cannot take too much of a pounding by Hulk.
And no more of this godblast talk...Thor rarely if ever uses it. It isn't a viable tactic.