Savage Bannerless Hulk vs Thor

Started by Rage.Of.Olympus12 pages

Originally posted by Starscream M
I would say it's very accurate depiction of how a battle between Thor and mindless Hulk would play out....ie Hulk would dominate.

Hulk has an insane HF, and can take pretty much anything Thor could dish. Thor, however, cannot take too much of a pounding by Hulk.

And no more of this godblast talk...Thor rarely if ever uses it. It isn't a viable tactic.

Hulk would dominate?

Sorry comic, evidence, cannon evidence proves otherwise. I wish I could post scans but I'm to new here.

Either way, while Thor was holding back, Thor was stalemating an enraged Banner less Hulk, and taking all of his blows without so much as a bruise. When he stopped holding back, he sent, Hulk flying of his feet with a single blow.

Hulk can take anything Thor can dish out?

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Yea, that's why he had to resort to taking a woman hostage because the Hulk knew with his hammer Thor, would kick his ass. He basically stated it himself (This was savage Hulk though). Thor with Mjolnir has tossed Hulk around more than once before, without even using his dynamic power set.

The most Hulk has ever done was give Thor superficial wounds such as a bloody lip and a black eye. Nothing worse.

He has fought Hulk in a hand to hand fight with his fists, before, and stalemated him constantly.

Thor can't take much of what Hulk can dish out?

Pff.....his proven he can time and time again.

Thor has knocked out Hulk in continuity, with only his hammer and fists, and has even killed Hulk in continuity.

Seriously underestimating Thor here.

Hulk isn't all powerful. He has been defeated by Thor before.

Hand to hand is Hulk's thing but Thor can still stalemate him for a long time.

With his hammer Thor will and has defeated the Hulk before.

God Blast, Anti-Force etc. too much.

again, you keep using false examples.

This is mindless hulk, not savage hulk. Mindless hulk is the most powerful hulk because he has no limits on his rage...usually bruce is subconsciously limiting what Hulk is capable of. But without bruce, mindless Hulk reaches true potential, he is far stronger than savage hulk because his rage fuels him.

I don't disagree that Thor could beat Savage Hulk or even WWHulk...but mindless Hulk is a different story, as shown by the recent movie, which may not be cannon, but imo is very accurate of how Marvel intends their fights to be like.

Originally posted by Starscream M
again, you keep using false examples.

This is mindless hulk, not savage hulk. Mindless hulk is the most powerful hulk because he has no limits on his rage...usually bruce is subconsciously limiting what Hulk is capable of. But without bruce, mindless Hulk reaches true potential, he is far stronger than savage hulk because his rage fuels him.

I don't disagree that Thor could beat Savage Hulk or even WWHulk...but mindless Hulk is a different story, as shown by the recent movie, which may not be cannon, but imo is very accurate of how Marvel intends their fights to be like.

You're the one who said Thor can't take what Hulk can dish for any long period of time, and Hulk can, but I proved other wise.

I know what the difference between Savage and Banner less is.

Say what you will about the movie, but it still doesn't change the on panel evidence.

Thor was stalemating and taking all of the Banner less Hulk's blows without so much as a bruise. He stopped holding back and knocked him of his feet and made him fly backwards for a decent distance with a single blow.

That also means he was stalemating him while holding back, but on the other hand Banner less Hulk has no idea how to hold back and what that means.

It's a movie. In movies, I expect those type of things. Wolverine and Hulk are Marvel's poster boys (Spider-man as well). They can fool around in non-cannon instances all they want, but it still doesn't change the on panel fight.

Thor has shown that he can hold his own Banner less Hulk without using his dynamic power set.

With it, he shoves his hammer down Hulk's throat, and unleashes the Anti Force ala Mangog (Lol I doubt he would be so brutal, just enjoying the scenario, is all.).

By the way, it was stated that Green Scar, is the strongest incarnation of the Hulk yet.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Thor was stalemating and taking all of the Banner less Hulk's blows without so much as a bruise. He stopped holding back and knocked him of his feet and made him fly backwards for a decent distance with a single blow.

sorry but if that was the case, then it is PIS or a complete low ball showing that shouldn't be taken seriously.

Thor should not be able to withstand Mindless Hulk's blows.

Remember what mindless Hulk was able to do to Onslaught with less than 5 blows? yeah thought so.

That same Onslaught brushed away Thor and Avengers and X-Men and FF4 and countless others like gnats.

Yet Mindless Hulk turned him to recycled metal in a matter of seconds.

That is what mindless Hulk truly is.

Originally posted by Starscream M
sorry but if that was the case, then it is PIS or a complete low ball showing that shouldn't be taken seriously.

Thor should not be able to withstand Mindless Hulk's blows.

Remember what mindless Hulk was able to do to Onslaught with less than 5 blows? yeah thought so.

That same Onslaught brushed away Thor and Avengers and X-Men and FF4 and countless others like gnats.

Yet Mindless Hulk turned him to recycled metal in a matter of seconds.

That is what mindless Hulk truly is.

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That fight with Thor was before the Onslaught Saga, so how can it be PIS because of what happened in Onslaught?

Thor has can take Banner less Hulk's blows, has taken his blows, and will take his blows again.

Don't you think that there is a possibility that Onslaught let Hulk do that to him?

I mean reading the content he didn't exactly put up a fight based on what he did to the rest of the Marvel Earth, and right after the armor was cracked he evolved to an even greater level.

Hence why most assume, it was Onslaught's original intention. He seemed to forget everything else he could do when Hulk came into the picture.

That scenario makes the most logical sense.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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That fight with Thor was before the Onslaught Saga, so how can it be PIS because of what happened in Onslaught?

Thor has can take Banner less Hulk's blows, has taken his blows, and will take his blows again.

Don't you think that there is a possibility that Onslaught let Hulk do that to him?

I mean reading the content he didn't exactly put up a fight based on what he did to the rest of the Marvel Earth, and right after the armor was cracked he evolved to an even greater level.

Hence why most assume, it was Onslaught's original intention. He seemed to forget everything else he could do when Hulk came into the picture.

That scenario makes the most logical sense.

Of course Onslaught wanted to change forms...it was clear that he wanted Hulk to break his armor. But it was also clear only Hulk was capable of doing so. Sure the others were able to chip his armor, but they (including Thor) lacked the power to completely break it apart.

Only when Banner was removed and Hulk became mindless, was Onslaught able to break free of his physical form.

Notice though, that he was actually fighting back against the rest, but he basically allowed Hulk to do what he did, seeing as what he could have done to present him with as much of a challenge as the rest.

I don't recall seeing Thor, unleash his strongest blows, on Onslaught's chest repeatedly or him using a God Blast etc.

How do you know Thor lacked the power because from what I remember (I'll go re-read it, because it's been a while and I might be missing a few points etc.) but Thor never gave it his best shot.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I don't recall seeing Thor, unleash his strongest blows, on Onslaught's chest repeatedly or him using a God Blast etc.

so that means either Thor isn't very smart or it isn't like his character to use godblast...which only further supports my point that Thor is unlikely to use the godblast.

I mean he only used it like 3 times in his ENTIRE career, and only against beings with skyfather level durability.

So this is why he wouldn't use it against Hulk.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Notice though, that he was actually fighting back against the rest

he was not really fighting back...more like toying with them...for his entertainment. He wanted them to unleash Mindless Hulk because he knew only a pissed off Mindless Hulk could free him from his armor.

Well, how the hell do you know that he only wanted a pissed of Banner Less Hulk?

With his psychic power I assume he could have done exactly what Jean did, and then placed himself in front of the Banner less Hulk.

My point is, that Hulk simply had the best shot at Onslaught, Onslaught took the opportunity and let Hulk do his thing.

Thor got have probably accomplished the same thing if given the opportunity, and he was in a crazed fury (Warrior Madness would be more than sufficient for example, but that's not really reasonable in their situation).

I guess at this point we'll just have to agree to disagree, because we're arguing in circles.

Ok, then. Let's agree to disagree but I don't see the why?

On panel evidence (Before Onslaught) shows that Thor can take what Banner less Hulk dishes out.

It was fun, let's do it again some time. I agree, to disagree.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

On panel evidence (Before Onslaught) shows that Thor can take what Banner less Hulk dishes out.

ok, that may be true. but do you really think Thor could take the beating that Mindless Hulk dished out against Onslaught?

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did you used to post here as someone else?

Originally posted by Starscream M
ok, that may be true. but do you really think Thor could take the beating that Mindless Hulk dished out against Onslaught?

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did you used to post here as someone else?

Didn't Thor already prove he can?

I mean, he fought a "true" Banner less Hulk.

What Jean did, was simply suppressing the Banner side of the two beings.

So, truthfully, the one Thor fought would be the true Banner less Hulk, which in turn could mean he is more powerful than the one who fought Onslaught.

Onslaught basically wanted for Hulk to succeed.

Either way, the fight we are discussing already happened for a few pages.

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Well, for all intents and purposes, I'm new on these boards.

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I can post scans now, meaning I can post there original fight (1).

(1)
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BLessHulkvsThor1.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BLessHulkvsThor2.jpg

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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BLessHulkvsThor9.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BLessHulkvsThor10.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BLessHulkvsThor11.jpg

As you can see, Thor is capable of taking his blows. The moment he said to the Death, and it stated he wasn't holding back, it was a home run for Thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Didn't Thor already prove he can?

I mean, he fought a "true" Banner less Hulk.

that mindless hulk was nothing like the one that fought Onslaught.

I think I'll take the more recent depiction of mindless hulk over one that outdated.

cartoons or comics, hulk will ever crush thor. In heroes reborn hulk crush thor, in ultimate avengers cartoon hulk crush again thor in hulk vs thor 2009 he crush thor to the death. How can you say that thor should win? I never saw thor beat hulk.

Originally posted by Starscream M
that mindless hulk was nothing like the one that fought Onslaught.

I think I'll take the more recent depiction of mindless hulk over one that outdated.

You simply don't accept the first one because Thor can match him?

Wow...

Not that Thor can't match the other one.

Originally posted by savage hulk
cartoons or comics, hulk will ever crush thor. In heroes reborn hulk crush thor, in ultimate avengers cartoon hulk crush again thor in hulk vs thor 2009 he crush thor to the death. How can you say that thor should win? I never saw thor beat hulk.

Ultimate Avengers Reborn movie is not cannon (Different Thor and Hulk either way).

Cartoons, not cannon.

Thor vs. Hulk the DVD, is not cannon either.

What is cannon is comics, and Hulk has never crushed Thor in comics. Ever.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ultimate Avengers Reborn movie is not cannon (Different Thor and Hulk either way).

Cartoons, not cannon.

Thor vs. Hulk the DVD, is not cannon either.

What is cannon is comics, and Hulk has never crushed Thor in comics. Ever.

oh yes in incredible hulk annual 2001 hulk beat thor to the death

Originally posted by savage hulk
oh yes in incredible hulk annual 2001 hulk beat thor to the death

What are you talking about?

That never happened.

On the contrary, Thor in that issue knocked out Hulk with his hammer and fists alone, while the worst Hulk did, was give him a bloody nose.

Can you please tell me the page number, because I have that issue opened right now, and it never happened.