Originally posted by Konton
Silver Surfer only.Not many characters in general could survive. Other than energy sponges like Starfire or Ms. Marvel, this duration and intensity should kill most tangible characters who are any less durable than Superman himself.
👆 Under the op's stipulation this would likely be the case, unless you believe Hulk won't lose consciousness or wolvie's "mystical" HF will bail him out of losing total brain function with all the heat his brain will undergo via his metallic skull.
Originally posted by Konton
Silver Surfer only.Not many characters in general could survive. Other than energy sponges like Starfire or Ms. Marvel, this duration and intensity should kill most tangible characters who are any less durable than Superman himself.
Classic Thor's already walked through Superman's heat vision without any problems at all, and Current Thor's durability apparently shits all over Classic's.
He survives fine. As does Surfer.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Classic Thor's already walked through Superman's heat vision without any problems at all, and Current Thor's durability apparently shits all over Classic's.He survives fine. As does Surfer.
He survived typical non lethal HV aimed at his armored chest, plenty of top tiers would have taken that blast with few problems, CM who has the same durability as BA has taken the same sought of blast. Thor was significantly hurt regardless.
Concentrated HV designed to lobotomized is another matter, surely.
Originally posted by Allankles
Thor was significantly hurt regardless.
It may have been non-lethal. It was still Supes' intention to put him down with it. The fate of their universe was at stake if they lost and he had already taken a measure of his strength. No reason to hold anything back but the bare minimum. And again, Current Thor's durability is vastly superior.
How is bringing up CM relevant? CM's durability is excellent.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Not by the HV.It may have been non-lethal. It was still Supes' intention to put him down with it. The fate of their universe was at stake if they lost and he had already taken a measure of his strength. No reason to hold anything back but the bare minimum. And again, Current Thor's durability is vastly superior.
How is bringing up CM relevant? CM's durability is excellent.
I was just pointing out when his anti-hero opposite got a treatment of heat vision with more sinister intent his face was melted.
As far as the HV in JLA/Avengers you just supported my point, there's a difference between trying to shoot HV into Thor's brain and shooting at his armored chest to try and stop him in a comic battle.
The thing is Supes never uses his HV with the intent of burning through the flesh of his target in the comics not unless he's been pushed to the brink or is blood lusted, the Thor scenario was neither for him.
A great example was Brane's example with Manchester Black, Supes had been given a much more severe beating in that fight than anything Thor came close to inflicting on him.
The situations were completely different, he'd been pushed to the brink by Manchester Black and co.
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This includes JLA/Avengers. Canon or not, people just aren't going to agree on it in most cases. Besides, there should be plenty of other comics with which to make your point.
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Yes, Hulk was in PAIN from Superman's HV. Duh. When you burn your finger on hot coffee it hurts, right? But it doesn't even pierce the skin. Not even FIRE pierces the skin without prolonged exposure. I know, HV is radiation and Sun-hot. Hold that thought.
Now, assume you have ultra durability like the Hulk. And, again, that was Prof Hulk. Regular Savage Hulk is much more powerful than that now.
And Hulk CAN'T be killed. Superman can beat him in a fight(eventually, using all his powers as a team), but no one has ever come close to truly killing Hulk in recent years. Sure, early Hulk almost died from a simple fall at great heights... and early Superman could only lift a car. So let's keep it current.
Current(meaning recent years) Hulk is more powerful than he's ever been. And besides, Hulk doesn't need his brain to regenerate. He's regenerated from a SKELETON before. Meaning no brain. So this LAME speculation that all Superman has to do is nail a certain PART of Hulk's brain to shut him down, turn him into banner, etc, etc, is, again, just SPECULATION! There's never been any proof that Superman could do this to Hulk.
Evidence shows Superman's HV is super-duper Sun-hot. Great. Evidence shows Hulk can regenerate from a skeletal state(and worse), and when he does, he regenerates into HULK. Not Banner. So this "knock him out to turn him into Banner" thing holds no water. Hulk has been knocked out before and remains Hulk. Hulk has been calm before and remained Hulk for a long time. Need I remind you, Hulk usually suffers from painful skin, so even if calm he is still physically in some pain.
So. Unconcious? No problem. No/Damaged brain? No problem.
Hulk regenerates several times faster than Wolverine. So no matter how much damage Superman's HV does(if indeed it can do much), Hulk can take it and the potholes close up in seconds.
By the way, as I recall, Superman's HV didn't penetrate Prof Hulk's chest. It merely HURT. But it didn't damage any more than enough to cause pain. Hulk is stronger and has taken worse since then.
Another note, Superman's HV didn't even end the fight, or even change the tide. He gave up on it because it wasn't working. Superman noted that it took everything he had to knock (PROF)Hulk out. Not to compare Superman's HV with Cyclops' beam, but I'm positive Hulk would handle the HV just the same as he did Cyclops' beam in World War Hulk. Take a bit longer though.