Combat Speed/Reflex Contest of Top-tiers

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes he has. He's used speed in battle against Nova, Hulk, and Lunatik. Now stop lying.

And deathurge as well.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes he has. He's used speed in battle against Nova, Hulk, and Lunatik. Now stop lying.

No he hasn't, not the same degree as supes or WW....not even close.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
No he hasn't, not the same degree as supes or WW....not even close.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Except he hasn't applied it into a battle and since when does fast reflex trasnlate to fast movement. He has good pilot reflexes which no one will deny, but as it's been explained before MA is a very different kind of animal then navigation. Besides even if he could apply reflex into battle he would still need to apply speed in order for it to be effective.

...which is pretty much what you ALWAYS say. Saying that he doesn't use it as often as Supes or WW is totally accurate, but making the claim that he can't/doesn't use speed in battle at all is nothing more than you blatantly ignoring evidence.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You didn't say that he hadn't used it to the same degree as WW and Supes, what you said was...

...which is pretty much what you ALWAYS say. Saying that he doesn't use it as often as Supes or WW is totally accurate, but making the claim that he can't/doesn't use speed in battle at all is nothing more than you blatantly ignoring evidence.

He doesn't use it as frequently or to the same effect as Supes or WW by quite a degree...and the examples you brought up are hardly examples of using speed. SS uses speed when travelling...during fights he does not.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
He doesn't use it as frequently or to the same effect as Supes or WW by quite a degree...and the examples you brought up are hardly examples of using speed. SS uses speed when travelling...during fights he does not.

Originally posted by darthgoober
They are examples of speed, and they all happened in combat. Hey how about we have a Battlezone and let the judges decide who's right 😖mart: ?

So you're honestly trying to say that SS combat speed is=Supes and WW......

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So you're honestly trying to say that SS combat speed is=Supes and WW......

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes he has. He's used speed in battle against Nova, Hulk, and Lunatik. Now stop lying.

You mean when he bullrushed them....guess that's speed.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
You mean when he bullrushed them....guess that's speed.

The Nova fight is the closest thing to a bullrush I mentioned, but the speed I was talking about was his throwing Nova.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No I mean when he did the same thing to Hulk that Supes did to Doomsday(which YOU bring up for Supes as proof of combat speed) and when he was kicking Lunatik's ass H2H. And in the instance with Deathurge that Naija broght up, he was dodging at lightspeed.

The Nova fight is the closest thing to a bullrush I mentioned, but the speed I was talking about was his throwing Nova.

Supes vibrated past Doomsdays punches, SS was just able to doge quickly which isn't anything normal humans can't do. Agaisnt Lunatik he wasn't blurring out or even close to superspeed, same deal agaisnt Naija. I don't recall him ever ultalizng superspeed movement without the aid of his board, so aside from just fighting at regular human speed what else does he got......

Combat and reflexes are different things this is a merge ranking.This would be different it it were combat or reflex ranking only

1)Superman
2) Surfer
3) WW
4)Thor/Darkseid/Thanos tie

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes vibrated past Doomsdays punches, SS was just able to doge quickly which isn't anything normal humans can't do. Agaisnt Lunatik he wasn't blurring out or even close to superspeed, same deal agaisnt Naija. I don't recall him ever ultalizng superspeed movement without the aid of his board, so aside from just fighting at regular human speed what else does he got......

Lunatik couldn't land a punch at one point and Lunatik has super speed/reflexes.

Nova was grabbed by the throat and thrown with such speed that he didn't even see Surfer and questioned whether or not he was tagged by an energy blast from Galactus. And not only does Nova have super speed/reflexes, he actually has "DC style" super speed.

Against Deathurge... you're trippin because there were definite "speed lines" and a blur effect when Surfer was dodging.

And the instances with Hulk and Lunatik I mentioned both happened while Surfer was off his board.

Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
I see where you're coming from with this. But with SS calculating patterns, he's using a level of anticipation that goes beyond reflex time.

Now, if he implements it in a fight, then it would roll into overall combat speed, so I guess it's all in how you look at it.

Correct - Surfer's potential here trumps most everyone.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Rank the following top-tiers according to their level of combat speed/reflex from fastest to slowest.

Superman

Wonder Woman

Darkseid

Silver Surfer

Thor

Thanos

DS-Anyone who can blitz Superman is either the flash or quite uber.
Superman
Surfer
WW
Thanos
Thor

Reflexes
WW. No one in comics but a flash is beating her in this dept.
Thanos- He pwns heralds flying thru hyperspace
Superman/Surfer
DS
Thor

Originally posted by darthgoober
Proof that Surfer just dodged while Supes vibrated to the point of intangibility? I don't remember them mentioning the specific details of what was going on in either instance.

Lunatik couldn't land a punch at one point and Lunatik has super speed/reflexes.

Nova was grabbed by the throat and thrown with such speed that he didn't even see Surfer and questioned whether or not he was tagged by an energy blast from Galactus. And not only does Nova have super speed/reflexes, he actually has "DC style" super speed.

Against Deathurge... you're trippin because there were definite "speed lines" and a blur effect when Surfer was dodging.

And the instances with Hulk and Lunatik I mentioned both happened while Surfer was off his board.

The art clearly illustrates Supes vibrating, Sufer merly dodged....narrative spoon feeding can't always apply everytime you know.

Nova instance was on his board so next, agaisnt Deathurge and Lunatik he wasn't using superspeed...he was on his board travelling very fast while dodging at the sametime.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Overall Combat Speed

DS-Anyone who can blitz Superman is either the flash or quite uber.
Superman
Surfer
WW
Thanos
Thor

Reflexes
WW. No one in comics but a flash is beating her in this dept.
Thanos- He pwns heralds flying thru hyperspace
Superman/Surfer
DS
Thor

In regards to pure raw reflex, I'd say Thanos,SS and supes then WW followed by DS and thor.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
In regards to pure raw reflex, I'd say Thanos,SS and supes then WW followed by DS and thor.

Originally posted by fangirl101
You can say that. But comics shows that WW has superior reflexes to them all. Would you like me to prove it? Cuz WW instinctively blocks all manner of attacks. No one else does.

Because no other character shown here has durability as weak as her...if you can just walk past 100% of most offensive measures why would you block?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Because no other character shown here has durability as weak as her...if you can just walk past 100% of most offensive measures why would you block?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Nah. Superman gets hurt by electricity. Surfer has been hurt by lightning. Thor has been KO'd by a bullet. Thanos has been hurt by Claws. And DS has been hurt by his own Omegas and Superman's fist. No one on this list can walk past 100% anything. At anyrate, You are arguing against your self. Why would you have to train your reflexes to be so uber as she does if you dont' have to? Duh.

She can get punked by blades, compared to everyone else her she has incredibly weak durability. I mean you do understand its a important aspect of her character to deflect as it is in SS to have impressive piloting reflexes.