Originally posted by Allankles
That was in reference to Thanos being above skyfather, leave alone high skyfather.
Originally posted by MindsetWaiting for a response
Hmm that's odd, I seem to remember hearing people say SMP is skyfather, but wait he has less range of attacks than Thanos, so that can't be.He showed the ability to easily take out high level heralds, SS, and he showed a pretty good battle with Odin, even if he was on the losing end. Since then he has had his powers upgraded. He also has a wide range of powers. Just because he chooses to use mainly energy blasts in attacks doesn't really matter.
Originally posted by King Kandy
He is at least above Odin level as he was shown to defeat cube beings which are above skyfather in his latest incarnation and has knocked off Galactus's hat which no other person has been able to do in marvel history.
If you're talking about Maker, considering the circumstances she wasn't even Odin level. Whether you choose to believe her power is above Odin, she was a lot more vulnerable than Odin regardless.
I hope you're not serious about the knocking off his hat bit? Thanos has powerful concussive blasts, certainly enough to push down a small sized Galactus if he doesn't steel himself for the attack.
Originally posted by Allankles
If you're talking about Maker, considering the circumstances she wasn't even Odin level. Whether you choose to believe her power is above Odin, she was a lot more vulnerable than Odin regardless.
The Maker is just the Beyonder in mortal form. Her senses were screwed up. Too much input. That's it. That's the only difference between post-retcon Beyonder and The Maker.
And as far as 'pushing Galactus down' - he blasted him through his own spaceship and halfway across a moon. Quit downplaying it.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes I know, but I've heard this line of thinking before so I know how far it goes 9 times out of 10. Put it this way, how impressive do you rate his feat with Galactus? Like sub-skyfather feat, skyfather feat, or above skyfather feat? Do you think a blast from Odin would have done more damage to a well fed Galactus?
Odin's best attack would have been a little more than an irritation. If we believe the stuff about him wrecking galaxies and shaking the universe etc. It at least suggests that he'd have a better shot than Thanos.
Originally posted by Allankles
If you're talking about Maker, considering the circumstances she wasn't even Odin level. Whether you choose to believe her power is above Odin, she was a lot more vulnerable than Odin regardless.I hope you're not serious about the knocking off his hat bit? Thanos has powerful concussive blasts, certainly enough to push down a small sized Galactus if he doesn't steel himself for the attack.
Maker was just confused. I'm not going to discard a feat just because it was against a confused person.
Originally posted by Allankles
Odin's best attack would have been a little more than an irritation. If we believe the stuff about him wrecking galaxies and shaking the universe etc. It at least suggests that he'd have a better shot than Thanos.
Originally posted by Enyalus
The Maker is just the Beyonder in mortal form. Her senses were screwed up. Too much input. That's it. That's the only difference between post-retcon Beyonder and The Maker.And as far as 'pushing Galactus down' - he blasted him through his own spaceship and halfway across a moon. Quit downplaying it.
I'm not downplaying it, I'm arguing with the fact that throwing a small sized Galactus makes you above skyfather. Look at Galactus' size, given his dimensions it doesn't surprise me, since heavy concussive beams are Thanos' mo.
Originally posted by Mindsetblind bastard
Hmm that's odd, I seem to remember hearing people say SMP is skyfather, but wait he has less range of attacks than Thanos, so that can't be.He showed the ability to easily take out high level heralds, SS, and he showed a pretty good battle with Odin, even if he was on the losing end. Since then he has had his powers upgraded. He also has a wide range of powers. Just because he chooses to use mainly energy blasts in attacks doesn't really matter.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Ah. Well, I don't think he's above skyfather either, so I'm not going to argue that. 😛
The feat by itself examined in terms of raw power isn't that impressive. I guess people get carried away because it was an energy beam that did the trick.
SBP or any super strong top tier with speed could have replicated the feat, flying onto Big G and then throwing him across the ground.
Examined in terms of raw power it wasn't that a big a deal for someone on Thanos level that has concussive beams, especially when Galactus was pretty much only about 20 ft in size in that scenario.
Originally posted by Allankles
The feat by itself examined in terms of raw power isn't that impressive. I guess people get carried away because it was an energy beam that did the trick.SBP or any super strong top tier with speed could have replicated the feat, flying onto Big G and then throwing him across the ground.
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Originally posted by Mindset
Hmm that's odd, I seem to remember hearing people say SMP is skyfather, but wait he has less range of attacks than Thanos, so that can't be.He showed the ability to easily take out high level heralds, SS, and he showed a pretty good battle with Odin, even if he was on the losing end. Since then he has had his powers upgraded. He also has a wide range of powers. Just because he chooses to use mainly energy blasts in attacks doesn't really matter. blind bastard
You first post didn't make it clear you were addressing me, I thought you were talking to iceman or something.
Now I don't consider SBP a skyfather, he has strength and durability to contend with skyfathers but outside of that it's difficult to regard him as a skyfather.
You can check post history to confirm this, if you think I'm trying to dodge your argument. I consider Thanos a skyfather but mostly on the lower end of that tier, that's just personal interpretation.
Keeping things in perspective, remember that top tiers can have better feats than some Trans level or skyfathers e.g. on the face of things T&A are more powerful than Thanos but SS is below Thanos, it's still a pretty huge feat for SS using the PC.
Originally posted by Enyalus
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Big G isn't known for evading attacks, so if those guys come flying in at top speed, against an undersized Big G, they could certainly achieve a suprise knock down and send him flying. Remember that some of these top tiers can push planetoids.
I'm just saying you don't have to have concussive beams to get a surprise knock down on Galactus under those circumstances.
It's like the punches vs energy radiation argument. Punches can work just as effectively given certain circumstances.
Originally posted by darthgoober
That doesn't really answer the actual question. How impressive of a feat is it for Thanos? What tier does the feat qualify him for in your opinion?
It doesn't raise him or lower him a tier in my eyes. I always thought he had fairly powerful concussive beams. Why it doesn't raise him above low skyfather for me is that for one, Galactus was basically ambushed. Two, Galactus' size, he's relatively small sized by his standards.
So factoring in that he wasn't steeling himself and that he wasn't especially large in that scenario, it didn't surprise me or raise Thanos above skyfather levels imo.
I'd call it a confirmation feat, especially as far as the strength of his concussive beams are concerned, but above Odin off of that? I don't see it.