Megaman vs Samus Aran: The Rematch

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I've played almost all of the Metroid games, and I do not recall Samus creating a black hole. Or surviving one for that matter.

I'd have to say that Megaman takes this.

Metroid Prime 2. It's known as the darkburst. Of course, it's not really a black hole, but more of a dimensional portal that sucks in and rips apart the molecular structure of things. So sorta like a black hole, but not really. And the Gravity Suit kinda ignores gravity effects. It's what it does.

The time stop is the only thing Megaman can't do that Samus can't replicate. But I'd say she's much more durable.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Samus can surround herself with plasma, electricty, and ice, ignore gravity, and create spazer rain.

This isn't really getting anywhere.

Nothing you said equals miniature stars or meteor showers. Also, you don't have to be an ass about this...

Oh, you wanted miniature stars? Fine, it's called the sunburst. Meteor showers, on the other hand, have never been a problem for Samus. Just ask Gorea. He got a face full of Omega Canon when he tried it. Spazer rain is more or less equal to meteor shower.

But just go ahead and post some feats; I'll get mine ready.

Sunburt is not a star at all. Megaman can Meteor Shower with real meteors over and over, Samus is not fighting Gorea. And Spazer Rain is not equal to an actual Meteor Shower.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Metroid Prime 2. It's known as the darkburst. Of course, it's not really a black hole, but more of a dimensional portal that sucks in and rips apart the molecular structure of things. So sorta like a black hole, but not really. And the Gravity Suit kinda ignores gravity effects. It's what it does.

The time stop is the only thing Megaman can't do that Samus can't replicate. But I'd say she's much more durable.

If it's a weapon she has then that wouldn't count. Otherwise Ratchet and Commander Shepard can also tank black holes.

And all I remember the Gravity Suit ever doing was letting you move normally in liquids.

Before we go any further.

Can Megaman take electricity in the trillions of watts? Near Absolute Zero Cold? Armor peircing plasma? How about all three at the same time in a six foot wall?

This is Samus' basic weapon. And the sunburst is a miniature star. Much hotter than plasma and incinerates whatever it comes into contact with. Can you prove that Megaman has actual mini stars as well? And real meteors?

IF you're quoting stuff from the Manga, I'm pretty sure that doesn't count because it's a fanmade manga.

Actually, the Manga is officially recognized as canon. But, no, I'm not not using it. This is mostly Metroid Prime series stuff. Scan data directly from the games. I got quotes.

"The VOLT DRIVER draws energy from the planetary electromagnetic field and converts it into multi-terawatt bursts of HIGHVOLTAGE." A terawatt is is 1 trillion watts and 3 terawatts is enough to power the entire United States for a year (all of human civilization uses 15 terawatts a year.) So yeah, Samus is pulling out that kind of energy for a basic weapon.

"The JUDICATOR is powered by cold-fusion synthesis. It fires SUPERCOOLED PLASMA at temperatures approaching absolute zero." Absolute Zero is the coldest state imaginable. It's impossible to reach without breaking physics and freezing all of reality. Just getting close causes quantum effects I'd need a physicist to explain. It's roughly -459.67 degrees Fahrenhiet.

"The BATTLEHAMMER is powered by a miniature nuclear reactor. This HEAVY-DUTY repeater is recommended only for those familiar with high-caliber weaponry." Not much to say for this one. It's a rapid fire mini nuke.

"The MAGMAUL, powered by a hyperstatic hydrogen core, fires cohesive projectiles of SUPERHEATED MAGMA." Not much for this one, either. I think I recall hydrogen cores being found in stars, but I'm not positive about that one.

"This proscribed weapon of mass destruction was called an abomination by the ALIMBIC ELDERS because of the harm it could inflict on anyone desperate enough to use it." This the Omega Cannon.

"The Quadraxis went rogue and entered the service of the Ing. Its primary weapon system fires destructive matter-antimatter blasts." This is actually an enemy, not a weapon, but Samus steals that matter-antimatter cannon for use as the Annihilator Beam.

"Warrior Ing are challenging foes. They can render themselves into amorphous puddles and move over most terrain, including walls. Warrior Ing's can turn their bodies into dangerous projectiles sheathed in dark energy. The tips of their legs are razor sharp, making them formidable in melee. Finally, Warrior Ing are capable of channelling transdimensional energy and firing it at their enemies. Their only real weakness is bright, pure light, which they hate and fear." This is another enemy, but I feel I should point out that 'transdimensional' means beyond dimensions. They basically rip a hole in space to attack.

That's pretty much it.

I think I like this Scenario guy

Samus <3

Wait, wait, wait...are we talking about composite versions of Megaman and Samus because alot of those weapons for Samus come from newer games? If we are talking about composite forms, MEGAMAN DESTROYZ...if not, I think it's a tie.

I mean the Megaman from Star Force soloed Sirius and that dude can make black wholes that swallow stars and planets. Megaman even has a form called Black Galaxy End.

Sirius cannot make black holes. He only controls the server created from one and never uses it against Mega Man. That isn't really an accurate measure of his power or durability. Sirius used lasers and wing blades in battle.

And I listed those weapons just to give you an idea of Samus and the Metroid series in general's firepower. Those kinds of things are fairly common. Samus' variants, being Chozo designed, are much stronger. The Wave Beam, for instance, is superior to the Volt Driver with the additional power to simply bypass solid matter. Her Plasma Beam is superior to the Magmaul and can pierce through multiple targets and hit multiple times internally. The Ice Beam is superior to the Judicator, meaning closer to absolute zero and can freeze things solid to the point where a single missile can shatter them.

The interesting thing, though, is that the Wave, Plasma, and Ice beams can stack on top of each other. Add in the spazer/wide beam, which splits each shot into three separate blasts that cover about six feet, and you have a wall of beams that pierces armor, hits multiple times (and internally), and freezes things. As Samus' primary uncharged weapon.

The difference here is that Mega Man is separate forms, Mega Man, Mega Man X, and the Mega Man from battle network are all different a different Mega Man. Samus is the same person throughout all her games so her stacking her powers from every game makes a lot more sense(and is even canon if you look at the transition from Super Metroid to Metroid Fusion).

Originally posted by The Scenario
Sirius cannot make black holes. He only controls the server created from one and never uses it against Mega Man. That isn't really an accurate measure of his power or durability. Sirius used lasers and wing blades in battle.

And I listed those weapons just to give you an idea of Samus and the Metroid series in general's firepower. Those kinds of things are fairly common. Samus' variants, being Chozo designed, are much stronger. The Wave Beam, for instance, is superior to the Volt Driver with the additional power to simply bypass solid matter. Her Plasma Beam is superior to the Magmaul and can pierce through multiple targets and hit multiple times internally. The Ice Beam is superior to the Judicator, meaning closer to absolute zero and can freeze things solid to the point where a single missile can shatter them.

The interesting thing, though, is that the Wave, Plasma, and Ice beams can stack on top of each other. Add in the spazer/wide beam, which splits each shot into three separate blasts that cover about six feet, and you have a wall of beams that pierces armor, hits multiple times (and internally), and freezes things. As Samus' primary uncharged weapon.

You are wrong...

Sirius is a character of the MegaMan Star Force series, and appears as the secret boss of MegaMan Star Force 3. He is the controller of a black hole, and uses it to attack other planets and stars, sucking them up and adding them to his "collection".

In order to even reach Sirius you must travel through the super massive black hole in the center of our galaxy. If MM can survive the very core of our galaxy there is no point in trying to use a normal one to kill him.

http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Sirius

It doesn't matter why you brought up those weapons, they can't be used in this fight...

Originally posted by Cyner
The difference here is that Mega Man is separate forms, Mega Man, Mega Man X, and the Mega Man from battle network are all different a different Mega Man. Samus is the same person throughout all her games so her stacking her powers from every game makes a lot more sense(and is even canon if you look at the transition from Super Metroid to Metroid Fusion).

Actually, all the MMs take place in the same universe at different points in time. Every MM is just a reincarnation of the last one.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Actually, all the MMs take place in the same universe at different points in time. Every MM is just a reincarnation of the last one.

So they are different Mega Man's. If reincarnation = same person then composite Link should be used for every thread with Link in it.

I believe the OP is using the first Mega Man in this debate. So we should stick with the feats for whichever version is chosen.

Originally posted by Cyner

I believe the OP is using the first Mega Man in this debate. So we should stick with the feats for whichever version is chosen.

Originally posted by Cyner
If reincarnation = same person then composite Link should be used for every thread with Link in it.

Link somehow gets mentioned in every thread... 🙄

http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Hole_Server

Black hole server =/= actual black hole

And I brought up the weapons for comparison purposes. In the OP, Samus has her NES and SNES equipment. This includes the Wave Beam and Ice Beam for NES. Wave Beam (+matter ignoring) > Volt Driver > Humanity's energy comsumption. Ice Beam < Judicator > Absolute Zero. And the Screw Attack for one hit kills on non bosses. That's just the original NES Metroid.

SNES equipment, from Super Metroid, incudes that PlasmaSpazerWaveIce Beam that I brought up earlier. The one that bypasses matter, strikes multiple targets, strikes the same target multiple times, and freezes them. In a six foot tall blast. It also includes the Speed Booster and Screw Attack, both one hit kills to non bosses, and the Space Jump, so she can fly. Also includes Power Bombs, which damage the whole screen. And the Ice, Electricity, and Plasma shields, as well as the Spazer Rain. Too bad the OP disqualified the Hyper Beam.

None of that stuff is from the newer games, but is still just as powerful if not moreso than those listed before. And if we're using the NES and SNES rules, that also disqualifies MegaMan Star Force. He's just got the original stuff, just like Samus.

Originally posted by The Scenario
http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Hole_Server

Black hole server =/= actual black hole

And I brought up the weapons for comparison purposes. In the OP, Samus has her NES and SNES equipment. This includes the Wave Beam and Ice Beam for NES. Wave Beam (+matter ignoring) > Volt Driver > Humanity's energy comsumption. Ice Beam < Judicator > Absolute Zero. And the Screw Attack for one hit kills on non bosses. That's just the original NES Metroid.

SNES equipment, from Super Metroid, incudes that PlasmaSpazerWaveIce Beam that I brought up earlier. The one that bypasses matter, strikes multiple targets, strikes the same target multiple times, and freezes them. In a six foot tall blast. It also includes the Speed Booster and Screw Attack, both one hit kills to non bosses, and the Space Jump, so she can fly. Also includes Power Bombs, which damage the whole screen. And the Ice, Electricity, and Plasma shields, as well as the Spazer Rain. Too bad the OP disqualified the Hyper Beam.

None of that stuff is from the newer games, but is still just as powerful if not moreso than those listed before. And if we're using the NES and SNES rules, that also disqualifies MegaMan Star Force. He's just got the original stuff, just like Samus.

Wrong again, if you had just looked a little bit more, you woulda seen...

Omega-Xis notes to Geo that the area around the server is near the center of the galaxy, which would make the Black Hole Server's identity that of Sagittarius A*, the supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way.

http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Hole_Server

"Servers" are nothing more than a "space" in the world where EM Beings can exist.

None of what you said about NES weapons comparing to the laters ones can be proven and is just mere fan assumption. Mega man even in the NES days can still stop time.

Originally posted by No End N Site
None of what you said about NES weapons comparing to the laters ones can be proven and is just mere fan assumption. Mega man even in the NES days can still stop time.