Megaman vs Samus Aran: The Rematch

Originally posted by General Kaliero
It can be proven, though. Except for the ice beam being occasionally replaced by ice missiles for Samus' personal safety, the weapons and their abilities remain effectively the same. The Wave Beam of Metroid Fusion (chronological end of the series) is the same as the Wave Beam of NES Metroid. Same for the Ice Beam. Which weapons Samus gets may change, but for the most part the weapons themselves do not.

Now, if your saying that the weapons in Hunter do the same things as some of the weapons in the OG Metrod, thus the weapons are the same then, The weapon's and their abilities remain mostly the same for game gameplay purposes. Where does it say that X weapon is equal to Y weapon in the actual story? I would assume that Later Metroid = later in time, thus, more advanced weapons.

Also, does this mean I can use Mega Man Powered Up? It's just a enhanced remake of the 1st Mega Man.

The Metroid timeline has some wierd stuff going on. Metroid Prime: Hunters takes place after the original Metroid and before Super Metroid. The Ice and Wave beams remain the same, however. This is because the Ice and Wave beams are Chozo designed and are actually several hundred years old. The Chozo were at least 1000 years ahead of everyone when they were at their prime and, as of the current timeline, no one has caught up yet. Even though those weapons came later, they are still inferior to the Chozo designs.

That's what I'm saying here. The average technology of the Metroid universe can put the combined electrical energy of the United States into what amounts to a pistol. They use this energy to open doors. DOORS. And the Chozo weapons are still superior, despite being built thousands of years ago. Chozo doors can require somewhere between 5-20 MISSILES to open.

There's also a few feats. The Judicator can kill a creature made of lava pretty easily. The Ice Beam can freeze it solid. The Volt Driver mostly deals damage. The Wave beam deals more damage and can pass through walls. The Magmaul is like a grennade launcher except it fires magma. The plasma beam can hit something up to three times on the inside and outside and then go on the hit the guys standing behind whatever was hit.

... oh, hi Scenario! Long time. Still fighting the good fight? 🙂

I dunno if I need to reiterate my stance on this battle. Overall, Mega Man vs Samus is a bit more balanced than Mega Man X vs Samus. In general, I think either could win over the other.

The battles are broken down by games, and my opinions are thus:

NES: Mega Man simply has more weapons he can access, including time stops, continuum twists, and tornadoes. Then, there's his strength to account for. I'd give Mega Man the odds in this arena, though Samus could win as well.

SNES: Mega Man's weapons are restricted and he doesn't have time stops here. He also doesn't have as many E Tanks, M Tanks, or S Tanks. I think Samus could take a majority in this arena, especially since Mega Man doesn't have as many options to counter her greater speed.

MvC: Tossup. They'd likely be balanced so either could win.

SBB: See above.

Now that's cool. I like how the resident Rock expert and "new" Samus expert are acquainted. Good times. 😆

To stay on topic, I think Samus would be the majority, but it certainly wouldn't be a stomp in either combatant's favor.

Oh wow. I didn't know you were a regular here, Acrosurge. I just sorta stumbled upon it.

And I agree for the most part. NES Samus is rather limited, with only the Ice Beam, Wave Beam, Missiles, Bombs, and Screw Attack. Plus the Varia Suit and Morph ball, of course.

SNES Samus has the much more familiar arsenal and a pretty powerful one at that. Yeah, this one is pretty much a tie.

Oh, and I want ask your opinion on the Black Hole Server point. It's not even a part of this battle, but I'm curious. From what I've gathered, it's supposed to be a supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy. Yet it does not behave as such. From what I've read, it is able to reconstruct EM beings, was unable to destroy Planet AM, and doesn't affect those capable of EM Wave Change. Is that right? Mostly because I don't think it's a legitimate feat, is all.

I don't see how this whole Black Hole Sever bit can be denied. Omega Xi clearly states what is in the article. A server at the core of the black whole in the center of our galaxy.

It states in both the articles and games that Sirius adds planets and stars to his collection with the use of a black whole.

And black holes are massive gravity wells that attract and crush things into an ultra dense point the size of a grape. Getting near one results in spaghettification. That is, the part of you that's closer to it gets stretched and ripped apart, becoming very thin like spaghetti, before being crushed by gravity into the aforementioned grape. It's the official term. Spagettified. Even going lightspeed can't escape this, as the gravity is so intense that it bends and sucks in light itself. It's black because not even light is able to escape.

Anyway, the black hole server displays none of this.

I am aware of all of that, but you do realize that it's a video game?

Star Force Megaman>SUPER MASSIVE Black Hole. He is durable enough to survive it like it doesn't even exist.

That simply doesn't work. That black hole failed to destroy Planet AM. Megaman is still damaged by things weaker than it. You said a server was a place where EM beings could exist, right? Occam's razor would dictate that the server simply does not share the properties of a real black hole.

Originally posted by The Scenario
That simply doesn't work. That black hole failed to destroy Planet AM. Megaman is still damaged by things weaker than it. You said a server was a place where EM beings could exist, right? Occam's razor would dictate that the server simply does not share the properties of a real black hole.

He never used the black whole on Planet AM. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe many of the attacks in Star Force are stronger than black holes? Also, you can't fight Sirius until later in the game. By the time you get to Sirius MM is leaps and bounds stronger than he was before.

Also, let me say this again...YOU HAVE TO TRAVEL THROUGH SAGITTARIUS A* (SUPER MASSIVE black hole) to get to the server which is in the center of the hole. And I can't believe you are so bent on tearing down Mega Man that you would attempt to use real life logic to explain away a clear event that happened in a fictional world. I could easily use Occam's Razor to explain away most of what you said about Samus or any character for that matter. This version of MM isn't even in this fight so I don't understand why it is so important to you to deny this version of Mega Man his rightful feats.

If you have weapons stronger than a black hole, why use the black hole? Seriously, Megaman can survive in the black hole server, but the black hole server does not display the traits of a black hole. You are saying that Megaman can survive a fictional black hole that he could survive one that actually acts like a black hole. This is not true. Have you considered that perhaps black holes in Megaman Star Force have different properties than they do in real life?

I for one have seen them used as wormholes in other fiction, something that is absolute bull, but works because that black hole has different properties from a real one. Megaman Star Force black holes do not behave like actual black holes, so saying that Megaman could survive an actual black hole is fallacious. He can survive the black hole server, and that is all.

Whatever man, I'm not gonna argue wit you about this. This has nothin' to do with the thread at hand and I already posted clear evidence that states the truth on the matter. "You are entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts."

No End in site, if that's your best rebuttal then Samus obviously wins.

Originally posted by Phanteros
No End in site, if that's your best rebuttal then Samus obviously wins.

I just don't feel like arguing any more, it's lame. I already posted the link saying that the gate way to the Black Hole Server is in the center of Sagittarius A*(http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Hole_Server) and Sirius can summon up a black hole to absorb stars and planets (http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Sirius). What more do I need to say? Furthermore, this thread isn't even about him.

If after all that you think Samus "obliviously" beats Omega-Xi+Geo version of Mega Man, then hey, whatever... I don't care anymore.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Oh wow. I didn't know you were a regular here, Acrosurge. I just sorta stumbled upon it...

Oh, and I want ask your opinion on the Black Hole Server point. It's not even a part of this battle, but I'm curious. From what I've gathered, it's supposed to be a supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy. Yet it does not behave as such. From what I've read, it is able to reconstruct EM beings, was unable to destroy Planet AM, and doesn't affect those capable of EM Wave Change. Is that right? Mostly because I don't think it's a legitimate feat, is all.

Unfortunately, I can't comment on the Starforce Black Hole Server question. I own Mega Man Battle Network 1 and 2, but for the most part, because the BN series and the Starforce series exist as a separate universe from the Classic Mega Man (and X, Zero, ZX, and Legends), I mostly ignore it. I'm not sure how it has any bearing on this topic anyway, since the OP limits it to the NES, SNES, MvC, and SBB games.

I will say that there are several Robot Masters from the Mega Man and X series who use singularities/gravity wells as weapons (and by extension, both Mega Man and X have copied such techniques). This list includes the robots Saturn, Galaxy Man, Gravity Beetle, and Antonion. We don't really know how these weapons compare to a stellar black hole, and so equating them is fallacious. The same goes for equating Samus's Darkburst with a stellar black hole. The two just aren't the same in construction, scope, or power.

We do however know that Gravity Beetle could completely collapse a large city block into a single Gravity Well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1hKp9JT5lo

In addition, Gravity Antonion's Squeeze Bomb singularities could swallow nearly any physical or energy weapon, even from a distance. He could also rapidly coalesce super-dense blocks of matter (10x10x10 ft of material) with gravity wells (Vid clip of interest - 05:13):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV7qjPjYfpE

P.S.
Ugh. Someone replaced the music in that last vid. Its Rockman people, NOT Discoman!

Yes, it looks fun here, so I think I'll stay a little while.

And I've played some of the Battle Networf games, too, but Star Force taking place 200 years after it seems jarring. I'm still pretty sure that the server differrs extensively from a black hole. For smaller ones, their strength is based in the amount of matter that is supercondensed, so there's really no way to tell.

Also, Samus' Darkburst is only "similar" to a black hole. In reality, it's a dimensional portal that rips things apart before sucking them into a hole in space.

But BACK ON TOPIC , I say NES Megaman wins, and SNES Samus wins. Other two are toss ups, but I say Samus just because I can.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Yup. I've been here for several years. These silly vs boards are rather like a bad addiction, so I have to step back every once and a while. 😉 Welcome! If you decide to stay, I insist that you get a cool Metroid ava and sig, like your MovieCodec one!

Unfortunately, I can't comment on the Starforce Black Hole Server question. I own Mega Man Battle Network 1 and 2, but for the most part, because the BN series and the Starforce series exist as a separate universe from the Classic Mega Man (and X, Zero, ZX, and Legends), I mostly ignore it. I'm not sure how it has any bearing on this topic anyway, since the OP limits it to the NES, SNES, MvC, and SBB games.

I will say that there are several Robot Masters from the Mega Man and X series who use singularities/gravity wells as weapons (and by extension, both Mega Man and X have copied such techniques). This list includes the robots Saturn, Galaxy Man, Gravity Beetle, and Antonion. We don't really know how these weapons compare to a stellar black hole, and so equating them is fallacious. The same goes for equating Samus's Darkburst with a stellar black hole. The two just aren't the same in construction, scope, or power.

We do however know that Gravity Beetle could completely collapse a large city block into a single Gravity Well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1hKp9JT5lo

In addition, Gravity Antonion's Squeeze Bomb singularities could swallow nearly any physical or energy weapon, even from a distance. He could also rapidly coalesce super-dense blocks of matter (10x10x10 ft of material) with gravity wells (Vid clip of interest - 05:13):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV7qjPjYfpE

P.S.
Ugh. Someone replaced the music in that last vid. Its Rockman people, NOT Discoman!

Originally posted by No End N Site
You never played Starforce?! Man, those games are pretty good not any where near as good as the old school Mega Man games, tho. That Mega Man is the most powerful Mega man to date, read the links I posted, you'll see.