Originally posted by AmbientThis is correct.
Was it???Didnt that weakness showed up in GL rebirth mini again and at this time parallax was out? Fear is in everyone, just like the rest of the five emotions that powers the diff. rings.. The taint is still there, giving into it you become suceptible or powers it like Hal and the rage ring.. course this all speculation 🙂 ..
All the rookie GLs either could not effect yellow, or they could barely do it, I forget.
Originally posted by Ambient
"Top tier GL" you mean Kyle, the only gl that comes to mind and i believed his power ring is far differ than say the rest, the others never seen them achieved said so feats..
Like I said the main weakness the ring seems to have now is its capacity...they never used to have to worry about that like...ever.
id369: Thanks for the scans. That's exactly what I'm talking about.
Originally posted by RaoulYour opinion. Strong evidence suggests that since the five universes were merged into one, the aspects of the universe were drastically altered that directly affected not just GLs but everybody else. What strong evidence? 30 years of post-Crisis GLs coming nowhere close to the casual feats that pre-Crisis GLs had. A character's general memory of the Crisis means absolutely nothing with respects to whether their current scope of power matches that of a pre-Crisis history. Powergirl is one glaring example of somene who retains her pre-Crisis memories but none of the power. I've heard the argument that because the universe didn't know what to do with her, the universe ended up changing Powergirl. Arguable. How do you figure that applies to Kal-L? A legitimate pre-Crisis Kryptonian whose history was never changed and whose character was never altered. Yet, he was essentially matched by Kal-El when they confronted each other in Infinite Crisis.
just fyi, for anyone, GL's weren't changed during the crisis, so it's more a distinction between writers than treating the characters as being somehow rebooted...not saying anyone is or isn't, just saying in general.
Pre-Crisis continuity is worthless for current GLs and has been for 30 years.
Originally posted by Ambient
Was it???Didnt that weakness showed up in GL rebirth mini again and at this time parallax was out? Fear is in everyone, just like the rest of the five emotions that powers the diff. rings.. The taint is still there, giving into it you become suceptible or powers it like Hal and the rage ring.. course this all speculation 🙂 ..
at the end of rebirth, parallax was put back in to the battery, so he can effect rings again.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
id369: Thanks for the scans. That's exactly what I'm talking about.Your opinion. Strong evidence suggests that since the five universes were merged into one, the aspects of the universe were drastically altered that directly affected not just GLs but everybody else. What strong evidence? 30 years of post-Crisis GLs coming nowhere close to the casual feats that pre-Crisis GLs had. A character's general memory of the Crisis means absolutely nothing with respects to whether their current scope of power matches that of a pre-Crisis history. Powergirl is one glaring example of somene who retains her pre-Crisis memories but none of the power. I've heard the argument that because the universe didn't know what to do with her, the universe ended up changing Powergirl. Arguable. How do you figure that applies to Kal-L? A legitimate pre-Crisis Kryptonian whose history was never changed and whose character was never altered. Yet, he was essentially matched by Kal-El when they confronted each other in Infinite Crisis.Pre-Crisis continuity is worthless for current GLs and has been for 30 years.
except for the fact that gl's weren't involved in the crisis, saw it happen, but still went about their business. any argument as to their power levels being changed when the gl's themselves carried on as normal and there was no obvious change to the CPB or anything else is pure speculation.
Originally posted by Raoul
they weren't.GL v2 194-199, which runs parallel to COIE. Hal, John and Guy are on Qward when the Anti-Monitor is destroyed, and Hal (having been thrown out of the Corps), is given a ring by the dying Tomar-Re, and they all head home. The series runs before, during and after the crisis, its even a Tie-In in its own way, but there is no 'reboot' as it were...
Yellow weakness is fine, as long as people realise that it existed post crisis too...
you can say that johns doesn't depower green lanterns if you want, but time and time again he's put the story ahead of feats. look at Green Lantern Corps. they travel through black holes, redirect massive amounts of energy, battle the likes of mongul etc.
then there's the johns gl's. they contained warworld's explosion, hal blasted a hole through henshaw "as hot as the sun" according to him. he faced down a kyle infected parallax. he stood up to a ganthet infected parallax. john one shotted superman (cheap shot yes, but superman still has insane durability).
and then there's the feats from when hal was dead an kyle was a gl.
just because feats are fewer in number nowadays than they used to be doesn't for one moment mean that gl's are suddenly incapable of repeating older feats, imo.
look at comics in general, bar the likes of superman, and in some cases norrin, how often do we use feats from high level characters that aren't at least a decade old?
Originally posted by Raoul
just because feats are fewer in number nowadays than they used to be doesn't for one moment mean that gl's are suddenly incapable of repeating older feats, imo.
I agree with this. Those were different times, and storytelling was done in a much different way.
Problems would be resolved in an issue, and consequences for things were minimal.
While blowing up a planet is a fanboys wet dream, most non-comic folk usually find that type of thing stupid.
Originally posted by RaoulWent about their business? GL histories were changed forever. Some of their histories were wiped out completely and they were literally stranded in the new resulting universe. You're asking me to prove a negative. Their power levels didn't have to be directly and obviously affected by the merging within Crisis on Infinite Worlds within it's pages. Whatever happened after is what counts, and you're talking about 20+ years of GLs doing nothing near what pre-Crisis GLs did.
except for the fact that gl's weren't involved in the crisis, saw it happen, but still went about their business. any argument as to their power levels being changed when the gl's themselves carried on as normal and there was no obvious change to the CPB or anything else is pure speculation.
It's quite simple. Kal-L from Earth-2. He didn't "obviously" change. As far as we knew, he was a pre-Crisis Kryptonian. Unfortunately, just from the obvious nature of his fight with Kal-El in Infinite Crisis, they were literal equals. Are you suggesting that my assertions are pure speculation without direct proof such as Kal-L or the GLs saying, "Wow, I feel so different now, I am 10.5X weaker than I used to be." Really? To be quite frank, i can't even characterize your opinion that they didn't change at all is pure speculation. It's not pure speculation, it's ignorance of 20+ years of established continuity.
Originally posted by RaoulStory always comes ahead of the feats. That's a given. And it's the same for every character across the board. That's no reason to give special treatment to current GLs because they used to do zany stuff pre-Crisis. As for the list of feats you're talking about, I don't see how any of that changes a thing despite your use of generalizations for several of them. Sure they have their feats. But nowhere near what they used to do. And personally, I'm tired of having to rebut assertions that GLs can individually bust planets easily, change into Daxamites, absorb energy, synthesize energy and a whole host of other things that they've not actually done post-Crisis.
you can say that johns doesn't depower green lanterns if you want, but time and time again he's put the story ahead of feats. look at Green Lantern Corps. they travel through black holes, redirect massive amounts of energy, battle the likes of mongul etc.then there's the johns gl's. they contained warworld's explosion, hal blasted a hole through henshaw "as hot as the sun" according to him. he faced down a kyle infected parallax. he stood up to a ganthet infected parallax. john one shotted superman (cheap shot yes, but superman still has insane durability).
and then there's the feats from when hal was dead an kyle was a gl.
Originally posted by RaoulPlease. You characterize the last 20+ years as "suddenly?" Honestly? KMC posters have been differentiating between classic Dr. Strange and current Dr. Strange, well before Bendis ever got to him. Post-Crisis GLs don't just have fewer feats, they have tons of feats. But those tons of feats clearly illustrate their power levels and their versatility. And that power level is nowhere near what GLs used to have and their versatility is nowhere near what it used to be. GLs cannot morph a person into a bird, they cannot turn energy into confetti, they cannot absorb/synthesize energy, they cannot pack a star into atoms. And forget about 10 year old feats, we're talking about 20+ years of established history after the original Crisis. This change may not have been sudden, it may not even have been completely intended as part of some master editorial plan. But it's been happening post-Crisis for 20+ years. To be quite honest, asking me to recognize the silly 20+ years of pre-Crisis continuity is asking me to ignore the consistent 20+ years of post-Crisis continuity. And if that sounds unfair, there's only one thing you need to remember: Kal-L from Earth-2.
just because feats are fewer in number nowadays than they used to be doesn't for one moment mean that gl's are suddenly incapable of repeating older feats, imo.look at comics in general, bar the likes of superman, and in some cases norrin, how often do we use feats from high level characters that aren't at least a decade old?
Or we can go with the simple but obvious truth...
Suspension of disbelief isn't what it used to be years ago. The business model for the comics industry is different. Most characters won't solve their problem in 2 panels with some insanely illogical feat.
The same way that this can be brought up for GL's, it can also be brought up for Thor and Odin who's best feats are years, and years ago for the most part...
^ Not really. At all.
Thor has been on the rise from his early days constantly. Classic Thor, w/o the entirety of the Odinpower had his best feats towards the end of his run just a few years ago. Trust me. Working on a new Revamped Thor Respect Thread at the moment, so I know. And while Odin was rocking the Marvel multiverse three decades ago, he did the same ten years ago. Whereas GLs haven't been anywhere close to what they were 20+ years ago AND there was an event like the original Crisis that changed everything. 20+ years of consistent power levels that didn't even come close to approaching pre-Crisis silliness despite how prevalent and ubiquitous they've been in DC lore.
Who else has constantly been on the rise since then? Superman, Silver Surfer, Flash, Hulk, Professor Xavier, Wonderwoman, Wolverine, etc. When Superman uses his cold breath to "save the Multiverse" or Surfer opens a black hole nonchalantly or Hulk takes a single step and threatens the Eastern seaboard or Superboy Prime retcons history with a punch or Annihilus takes over several empires or Thor one-shots Durok w/o Mjolnir or Wolverine climbs out of a vat of molten steel, no... that's not exactly what I call a dimunition of the suspension of disbelief over the years.
You can rationalize as much as you want for the GLs. But you have to do so in clear ignorance of Kal-L. And your choice of characters is very misplaced. Do I particularly care that GLs are portrayed as they are, right now? No. But when posters start talking about blowing up planets with ease, containing Big Bangs, turning into Daxamites, making 1000's of copies and absorbing all a foe's power, etc., the obvious has to be pointed out. No. They can't do that. And it's obvious they can't do that. For people to be reaching backwards 20+ years and characterizing the last 20+ years of GL history as "nerfdom" is evident of that simple fact: No. They can't do that.
Originally posted by Raoul
at the end of rebirth, parallax was put back in to the battery, so he can effect rings again..
Originally posted by Raoul
the draining of the battery freed parallax completely, meaning he could no longer taint gl rings. thats why kyle's ring could work on yellow.
Originally posted by carver9
What fts does Cyborg have that proves he can resist Surfer manipulating him?
What feat does Surfer has of manipulating someone that powerful anyway?
Originally posted by TheHulk
I'm little too curious on why Abhi bumped this thread for some reason.Surfer 7/10
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