Originally posted by Naija boy
No i referenced the mephisto example as evidence of SS power output as he was able to heavily affecct a skyfather level being in his own realm with his energy output. Im referencing that part of the fight not trying to use the totality of the fight itself to claim that because he defeated a skyfather he is now above other herald levelers. Im talking about a feat achieved during the fight (which had no context or circumstances surrounding it )
Early Superman has achieved the same exact feat...and yet Henshaw has beaten him.
Originally posted by Naija boy
I never denied that nor have i ever claimed surfer is more powerful than meph. Once again i was referencing his poweroutput.
If you believe SS power output is greater than a guy who went toe to toe with Galac for a while...
Originally posted by Naija boy
Its not a what if im referencing iirc it an avengers annual. also SS has lost to an amped thor not a regular thor. Further once again im not using the fact that SS "won" or "lost," im simply referencing the strength of his blasts.
And SS has still lost to Thor even with that "reference"...
Originally posted by Naija boy
He one shotted superman? With the strength of his attacks alone? not because it had some special effect on him?
ummm...yes.
He 3 shotted Supes with the rings. Either way... henshaw handles guys on his level better than SS seems to.
Originally posted by Naija boy
It wasnt the galactus part that was really important it was the fact that he was mindraping current nova with his full psi shielding on (ive mentioned this numerous times). SS was able to invade his mind and destroy his mental defenses.
You claimed this guy is some uber TP. You haven't present anything as such..nor a mindrape.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Concrete feats are hard to argue with.
And so are people who already have their minds made up. I don't see SS as a mindraper or uber TP anymore than I see Henshaw in that light...despite Henshaw actually having done it in battle.
Originally posted by jasofischenshaw is an energy being/consciousness, that's how he can transmit himself through telecommunications technology.
isn't what henshaw is, is just energy. Something surfer can absorb and disrupt. Surfer maybe one of the only characters that can truly kill henshaw since he can most likely destroy him on a level henshaw wouldn't know what to do about.
and henshaw is less durable that superman physically, imo if surfer got him down to the entity that is henshaw, he would need a new body lest he be dissipated.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
henshaw is an energy being/consciousness, that's how he can transmit himself through telecommunications technology.and henshaw is less durable that superman physically, imo if surfer got him down to the entity that is henshaw, he would need a new body lest he be dissipated.
that's what i'm talking about if surfer did break him down to that entity he could absorb that power then rip it apart and scatter it among the cosmos. Maybe surfer doesn't even have to do that. he might be able to extract henshaw from his body. Since henshaw is a energy being/consciousness surfer could do what he does to the hulk with extracting the gama he could do the same to henshaw with what is henshaw
Originally posted by Avlon
Early Superman has achieved the same exact feat...and yet Henshaw has beaten him.
Early supes has achieved what feat? Also once gain faulty logic, as supes and SS are in no way analogous. As i said earlier we take into account things such as context circumstances and context before taking fights in their totality.
If you believe SS power output is greater than a guy who went toe to toe with Galac for a while...
When did i claim that? I talking about how that feat shows how high SS poweroutput is in itself. I claimed he was superior to mephisto.
And SS has still lost to Thor even with that "reference"...
*Sigh* Completely irrelevant to the matter at hand and false in itself. SS hasnt lost to a regular thor before and regardless that whole line of reasoning is faulty in the first place.
ummm...yes. He 3 shotted Supes with the rings. Either way... henshaw handles guys on his level better than SS seems to.
Wait is this henshaw with the rings we are discussing here? I thought it was without them? cuz thats what im arguing. Also as i stated in my earlier whether u think henshaw seems to handle such guys better than SS is irrelevant because using forum rules most would be different due to the characters being able to use their powers more efficiently. Also none of those characters are SS nor will they and SS fight the same way on a forum.
You claimed this guy is some uber TP. You haven't present anything as such..nor a mindrape
I claimed the guy was a high level telepath( i never said he was xavier level) and by overiding novas mental defences he proves that. SS easily invading his mind and destroying his mental defences proves SS ability to use his mental powers offensively when he chooses to. As i said CIS is what prrevents SS from using his mental powers offensively as often as guys like xavier. (Note i also didnt advocate it as a tactic SS wud use in this match).
And so are people who already have their minds made up. I don't see SS as a mindraper or uber TP anymore than I see Henshaw in that light...despite Henshaw actually having done it in battle
"Mind raping" is simply affecting another persons mind negatively. SS has positively affected the minds of evryone on earth simultaneously(few telepaths have feats that match this) as well as destroyed the mental defences of a very competent telepath. I say that more than proves his telepathic abilities.