Asajj Ventress vs. Darth Zannah

thats specific. xD Would a force shield do the trick? usually Jedi have their force shieds up though, while fighting another force user.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
they fought relatively close to the end of the Clone Wars, I believe. Obsession and the Dreadnoughts of Rendili

I see. Okay, fair enough.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
She does. But if the opponent is facing away and can't see to mount a defense...it's different than if an enemy is facing you head on.

Granted.

I'm wondering though, just how good is Ventress's defence against this kind of psychic attack? In 'Dark Rendezvous' Dooku used some type of mental torture and she was on the floor begging him to stop, clearly in torment. True, Dooku was her Master, so there was a personal connection there that could account for her being more vulnerable (as she herself notes), but still...

Also, Zannah notes that Sarro's obsessive devotion to lightsabre training left him open to other means of attack, suggesting that a more well-rounded Jedi could have resisted the hallucinations. Now while this would surely involve the Force, is it simply a matter of having sufficient power/skill, or does it require specific methods that Ventress may not know?

Originally posted by kotorfan
thats specific. xD Would a force shield do the trick? usually Jedi have their force shieds up though, while fighting another force user.

I doubt that just a Force shield would be enough. While it's noted that Sarro and Raskta were not good at defending against Force attacks, Jedi/Sith are trained to put up Force shields before they even start lightsabre training.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
I see. Okay, fair enough.

Granted.

I'm wondering though, just how good is Ventress's defence against this kind of psychic attack? In 'Dark Rendezvous' Dooku used some type of mental torture and she was on the floor begging him to stop, clearly in torment. True, Dooku was her Master, so there was a personal connection there that could account for her being more vulnerable (as she herself notes), but still...

Also, Zannah notes that Sarro's obsessive devotion to lightsabre training left him open to other means of attack, suggesting that a more well-rounded Jedi could have resisted the hallucinations. Now while this would surely involve the Force, is it simply a matter of having sufficient power/skill, or does it require specific methods that Ventress may not know?

Jedi/Sith are trained to put up Force shields before they even start lightsabre training.

Source?

one of the Bane books I think.

Not sure about the Jedi though. But sith are.

Path of Destruction, to be exact.

yeah I think it was when Bane was training to be a sith.

Yep. Force Shields are standard operating procedure

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Path of Destruction, to be exact.

Originally posted by Publius II
And Shatterpoint.

Nope. I was expecting this, and Jedi are taught to combat Telekinesis from before Lightsaber training. Nothing Mace does in that book implies a Force bubble. He just copes with the way he is thrown around and then uses Kar's own power against him.

No force bubble.

(Of course, the PoD source makes this distinction largely irrelevant, but I thought it needed to be made.)

Ah. Good catch.

Just as a question has any Jedi faced Sith Sorcery?

Back to the main point - IMO Zannah would be able to defeat Ventress. Ventress would pawn her in a lightsaber duel. That's a given. But if Zannah was able to get some distance she [Zannah] would kill Ventress. Zannah at the end of Rule of Two is a nearly fully trained Sith Lord/Lady. Ventress would definitely not have any experience facing Sith Sorcery. She'd freak out and Zannah has an easy kill. Only upper tier Force-adepts might be able to resist Sith Sorcery.

Yeah, she would freak out. It's not like she's had any contact with powerful, scary Sith Lords before.

Oh wait.

Let me elaborate - has any Jedi of Ventress's era faced Sith Sorcery?

Probably not.

Edit: Happy Birthday, btw.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
this IS Dooku, AKA: someone so strong he's literally one of the strongest Jedi ever and is only stronger as a Sith, in the Force, he has to eclipse Apprentice Zannah. That could easily amount for the difference.

And Ventress is apparently a powerful Force User, even if she's not top tier. ]

Good point.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
[B]For Zannah, this is a HUGE leap on her part as she's only noting it because she feels that Sarro's skill with a blade is from him neglecting everything else-god help her if she made this assumption against Mace Windu, and it's a bit of an assumption. She only hits Sarro when he's exhausted from the BM wearing off and distracted. If she could pull it off, while not do it instead of bracing herself while Sarro whirls his lightsaber to prepare for the strike she knew' would kill her?

Farfalla also states "A Weapons Master was not skilled at defending against enemy Force Attacks."

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Just as a question has any Jedi faced Sith Sorcery?

Back to the main point - IMO Zannah would be able to defeat Ventress. Ventress would pawn her in a lightsaber duel. That's a given.

I wouldn't go that far. She'd win a blade-to-blade fight, sure, but it wouldn't be as easy as beating 'Jedi red shirt 15' or whatever.

Thanks Publius II

Against Mace, the Sorcery would probably be nothing more than a distraction and she would escape her eventual fate at the hands of one of the most powerful Jedi Masters in history. But Sith Sorcery against an upper tier Force-user like Dooku, Yoda or Luke & Kyp for that matter wouldn't do much.

It wouldn't even be a distraction for a Mace fully on his guard