Lucifer vs

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I though Lucifer is second only to The Presence? And equal only to his brother

Synnar the Demiurge>>Lucifer 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Nihilist
seen on panel?

The Presence bestows its power to The Spectre

Originally posted by Galan007
The Word is an actual character (he appeared during the 'Swamp Thing' series.)

And Lucifer might be able to beat him, if he was able to utilize the same methods as Tefe.

I really need to read that series, huh?

I think he should be able the rest to some degree of success and take the majority but against these beings I'm not as sure:

Mxy
Spectre (I'm less sure about the Spectre, but if God has given him his full backing, it get's complicated)
Ultimator
Elaine
The Word

Originally posted by Enyalus
I really need to read that series, huh?
Moore's run was easily one of the best series' I've read. I would highly recommend it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think he should be able the rest to some degree of success and take the majority but against these beings I'm not as sure:

The Word

As far as what's known, the only way to 'beat' the Word is to approximate power equivelent to the exact opposite of God's voice, and cancel him out. Tefe was able to accomplish this, but she's... Special. However, if anyone else could do it, Lucifer could.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
The Presence bestows its power to The Spectre

Isn't that the Source merged with the Spectre? You're saying the Source, the very thing that powers the new gods and Darkseid, and the Presence are one and the same? I disagree. Lucifer ignored the source when he entered it's wall.

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Isn't that the Source merged with the Spectre? You're saying the Source, the very thing that powers the new gods and Darkseid, and the Presence are one and the same? I disagree. Lucifer ignored the source when he entered it's wall.
yes that is the Source

and Spectre = God is 😂

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Isn't that the Source merged with the Spectre? You're saying the Source, the very thing that powers the new gods and Darkseid, and the Presence are one and the same? I disagree. Lucifer ignored the source when he entered it's wall.

So you like playing mind games eh 😖hifty:

So the conclusion that I've reached is that you'd have to destroy the multiverse and yourself to really defeat the Endless.

The Endless aren't really entities- they're not even really abstracts.

As long as Lucifer is capable of destroying or building something, or dreaming, or dying, or desiring something, the Endless would still exist. They're not representations of those things- they literally are those things. Morpheus (and Daniel) is not just the Lord of Dreams- he actually is dreams.

Not to say that Lucifer doesn't have the ability to do that.

Originally posted by tjcoady
So the conclusion that I've reached is that you'd have to destroy the multiverse and yourself to really defeat the Endless.

The Endless aren't really entities- they're not even really abstracts.

As long as Lucifer is capable of destroying or building something, or dreaming, or dying, or desiring something, the Endless would still exist. They're not representations of those things- they literally are those things. Morpheus (and Daniel) is not just the Lord of Dreams- he actually is dreams.

Not to say that Lucifer doesn't have the ability to do that.


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Good observation.

The Endless will continue to exist until the end of time.

Though Lucifer has shown that even The Endless has no authority over him.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
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Good observation.

The Endless will continue to exist until the end of time.

Though Lucifer has shown that even The Endless has no authority over him.

Yeah they do, though!

Destiny proves him wrong, even after Lucifer bets that he can do something he doesn't expect by burning a page in his book.

When he was lingering on the edge of death, Death appeared to him- if Elaine hadn't given up her life for him, Death would have been able to claim him.

Living will of the presence.....this isn't even a contest.

Spectre and Elaine are the only ones he'd lose to.

Overseers are the most powerful ones on the list.

The Overseers aren't on the list 😉. Lucifer would destroy nearly all of them except The Spectre or The Word who is the most loyal to The Voice then anyone. It was a good showing for Destiny helping with Fenris..

Originally posted by cloud102
Overseers are the most powerful ones on the list.

Even if they were on the list, says who ?

Damn, getting these threads mixed up. Anyway, they were really vague, but they exsisted outside of the DC creation. That of the og beyonder, but came out before. ONE Overseer created a being who judged the PC Multiverse.

But, yeah, Lucifer takes this.