Lucifer vs

Originally posted by cloud102
Damn, getting these threads mixed up. Anyway, they were really vague, but they exsisted outside of the DC creation. That of the og beyonder, but came out before. ONE Overseer created a being who judged the PC Multiverse.

They have absolutley nothing to put them above Lucifer/Michael/Spectre's power. They are some sort of enigmatic creatures, who as far as I recall appointed the Adjudicator to judge unworthy civilizations and eradicate them. In terms of feats, Adjudicator has nothing insane, and the best claim for his power is him being capable of destroying Universes with a shrug.

Stop going by some online non-official rankings.

I'll do whatever I want, thank you. And that does indeed show the potential of these "enigmatic" creatures. If they could judge the multiverse and not be intervened, without the Presence or Spectre, then I'd say they are definitely in their league.

Especially seeing as Spectre on average can't do similar feats.

You can do whatever you want as long as you don't bring that bullshit here and pass it on as fact. They don't have anything in terms of feats, and not even in terms of statements that puts them on the level I just mentioned.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yes it is.

Originally posted by tjcoady
Destiny proves him wrong, even after Lucifer bets that he can do something he doesn't expect by burning a page in his book.

Originally posted by tjcoady
When he was lingering on the edge of death, Death appeared to him- if Elaine hadn't given up her life for him, Death would have been able to claim him.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Spectre and Elaine are the only ones he'd lose to.

uhuh

There's no shame in being a Lucifer fanboy. uhuh

Seriously though, I consider him nigh-unbeatable while at full power.

Originally posted by Galan007
As far as what's known, the only way to 'beat' the Word is to approximate power equivelent to the exact opposite of God's voice, and cancel him out. Tefe was able to accomplish this, but she's... Special. However, if anyone else could do it, Lucifer could.

Your point?

I'm just wondering, what you found incorrect with my statement etc. or are you simply saying this for the simple sake of saying it.

Elaine would beat Lucy. But not Spectre. Unless you think the Source is actually the Presence, which I don't think it is.

How powerful is the Word? I've only seen him in Swamp Thing where he destroyed ancient primordial gods. He's like a red version of spectre. Does he have any other feats?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Your point?

I'm just wondering, what you found incorrect with my statement etc. or are you simply saying this for the simple sake of saying it.

That was my point.

That's why I said I wasn't sure in the first place. No definite answer can be given to those characters in my opinion.

Either way, thank you...I think....

Originally posted by Philosophía
There's no shame in being a Lucifer fanboy. uhuh

Seriously though, I consider him nigh-unbeatable while at full power.

Originally posted by Galan007
That was when Lucifer was still within the confines of Yahweh's creation. However, Lucifer proved that he can escape Destiny's 'plan' when he stepped away from creation entirely.

Even if we don't consider the 'special circumstances' as to why Lucifer was in that predicament in the first place, it should still be noted that the very first thing Lucifer said once he saw Death is, "you have no hold over me" - and she agreed with him.

Fanboy.

uhuh

I interpreted the "You have no hold over me" line as an indication that Lucifer hadn't yet died- he still had cards to play in order to get out of that particular situation. Why would Death appear to him otherwise? But you could be right- I just thought the line was too vague to really imply that.

And well, yeah. But the creation of Lucifier's multiverse was anticipated- but his actions within it are not subject to Yawheh's rules, and thus, outside of Destiny's purview.

Originally posted by tjcoady
I interpreted the "You have no hold over me" line as an indication that Lucifer hadn't yet died- he still had cards to play in order to get out of that particular situation. Why would Death appear to him otherwise? But you could be right- I just thought the line was too vague to really imply that.

Lucifer then states (issue #26) that Death has no hold over him, and she agrees. After this, Lucifer attempts to reinstate himself back into the realm of the living, but is unable to. Lucifer then tells Death that he'll simply wait in limbo until another option comes along. However, had Lucifer's wings not been mucked with, (ie. the 'special circumstances' I was referring to in my post) he apparently could have reinstated himself back into the living world with little difficulty (hence the reason said 'circumstances' should be taken into account.)

At any rate, it never seemed (to me, at least) like Death had the ability to claim Lucifer.