Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Remember, the OP is the same cat that said Juggernaut was more durable than Galactus.
God, I was the one who debated for an entire thread to show him why he isn't.
Still, I like Starscream. I like anyone who I have ever debated with.
Mocking him is amusing though, lol. Sorry Starscream 😮
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI don't remember seeing any actual proof of Galactus being more durable than Juggernaut...just you saying how obvious that he is
God, I debated an entire thread trying to prove why he isn't.
I did, however show you proof of Juggernaut brushing away an attack that made Galactus run away...but you then rationalized it by making a buncha speculations
if you care to show some actual proof, I'd be happy to check it out
Originally posted by Starscream M
I don't remember seeing any actual proof of Galactus being more durable than Juggernaut...just you saying how obvious that he isI did, however show you proof of Juggernaut brushing away an attack that made Galactus run away...but you then rationalized it by making a buncha speculations
if you care to show some actual proof, I'd be happy to check it out
Don't do this again. I didn't make any speculations, I simply stated things that are common sense.
You are comparing the God Blast, when at the time some actually considered Thor, and Galactus to be a good match.
Things have greatly changed since then, and the Thor that used the God Blast on Juggernaut was probably Thor at some of his weakest showings. He was so sick he could barely stop a flying bus and stay conscious.
Currently?
Thor would be hard strained to even get Galactus to notice him....
Juggernaut being more durable than Galactus, now is simply a bit moronic.
Anyways, I don't want to get into this argument again but if you do, simply bump the other thread.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI corrected your statement that you somehow 'proved' Galactus was more durable than Juggernaut when you haven't even posted one scan of proof. I mean, if it's so obvious, surely you could find one scan of support...I mean, all you would need is one instance of Galactus being unharmed by an attack that you think would harm the Juggernaut....that's all, just one scan.
Don't do this again. I didn't make any speculations, I simply stated things that are common sense.
Are you honestly asking that question?
Juggernaut is probably the most durable being on Earth (Excluding the High End Cosmic Beings etc.) but the key word is Earth.
For example, War Hulk actually stopped him physically and was harming him. You toss into the equation, off world things such as Celestial Tech etc. and Juggernaut isn't nearly as unstoppable as you would once see him.
It's really that simple. It wouldn't be that hard to find an instance, where Galactus takes some cosmic level attack etc.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusso you're resorting to falsehoods now? Hulk never harmed Juggernaut.
For example, War Hulk actually stopped him physically and was harming him.
Stopping him is another matter entirely, which relates nothing to Juggernaut's durability.
and if its not so hard, find me that ONE, just ONE, instance of Galactus being unharmed by a powerful cosmic attack
Originally posted by Starscream M
so you're resorting to falsehoods now? Hulk never harmed Juggernaut.Stopping him is another matter entirely, which relates nothing to Juggernaut's durability.
Wasn't War Hulk, about to decapitate him if I remember?
You are missing the point, the moment you go off world, Juggernaut doesn't live up to his name sake. He is powerful true, but he is not even in the league of Cosmic Level Beings.
How is this even a debate.
Galactus, has survived blasts, that have destroyed entire "Star Systems" without any hindrance, fought beings like the In-Betweener etc.
How is this even a debate?
How can you debate this with a straight face?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWhy are you even talking about how powerful he is? Juggernaut isn't very powerful, even on Earth.
You are missing the point, the moment you go off world, Juggernaut doesn't live up to his name sake. He is powerful true, but he is not even in the league of Cosmic Level Beings.
But he sure is durable...more durable than virtually anyone. And more durable than many who are more powerful (Thor, Gladiator, Surfer) than him.
How powerful you are isn't a necessary correlate of how durable you are.
Originally posted by Starscream M
Why are you even talking about how powerful he is? Juggernaut isn't very powerful, even on Earth.But he sure is durable...more durable than virtually anyone. And more durable than many who are more powerful (Thor, Gladiator, Surfer) than him.
How powerful you are isn't a necessary correlate of how durable you are.
I was referring to Juggernaut's power in general, and him being more durable than Gladiator, Silver Surfer, and Thor depends on what incarnation they are or how powerful they are.
Are you done debating, that the Juggernaut is more durable than Galactus?
Are you finished, because I noticed you left out the Galactus, discussion?
Honestly, how can you even compare the two. It's a hair short of moronic in my opinion.
Originally posted by Starscream M
So Rage, how much weaker in your opinion is the godblast that Thor hit Juggernaut with than the one he hit Galactus with...give me some numbers to work with.
Significantly.
Thor has lifted up and tossed the Midgard Serpent, create shock waves to knock planet's out of their orbit while simply arm wrestling.
The fact that he could not stop a flying car shows the difference in strength is staggering.
Either way the point is, that Galactus is way beyond Thor now. Galactus was not nearly considered to be as powerful as today's incarnation as he barely able to gain the upper hand on Ego, and was harmed by a gut shot from Thor's hammer.
Their difference in power levels is laughable.
Originally posted by Starscream M
um maybe because they've both been hit by the same attack and one of them was tickled and the other ran away...but foolish me, using onpanel evidence rather than common sense in debating comics. 🙄
Did you forget that:
A) Galactus is way beyond what he was back then. This is not speculation. The current Galactus would brush aside that incarnation of him as if he wasn't even present.
B) Thor was significantly weakened, weakened to the point that he wasn't even near half strength when he attacked the Juggernaut, and hte blast he used against Galactus, is probably one of the greatest showings of his attack power.
Galactus survives blast that would erase entire Star Systems, fights beings like the In-Betweener etc. who would pop Juggernaut like a zit.
With those things taken into account, how can you use that fit to compare Current Galactus and Juggernaut?
since you can't be bothered to offer any evidence in support of your argument, I'll provide some:
Here's current Galactus getting harmed by a blast by Thanos (weaker than a godblast):
http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=galactus14jn.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=galactus27ey.jpg
Originally posted by Starscream M
since you can't be bothered to offer any evidence in support of your argument, I'll provide some:Here's current Galactus getting harmed by a blast by Thanos (weaker than a godblast):
http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=galactus14jn.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=galactus27ey.jpg
Current Galactus obliterated 3 star systems,
the majority of the A-Wave
and a Watcher,
all simultaneously while starving.
Originally posted by Mr Masterbut that's power...not durability
That's not that current friend.Current Galactus obliterated 3 star systems,
the majority of the A-Wave
and a Watcher,
all simultaneously while starving.
I do not dispute that Galactus is far, far, far more powerful than Juggernaut
There are many beings more powerful than Juggernaut
But they are not more durable...Juggernaut is the embodiment of physical invincibility
