Of course it took months to do, he needed the power to actually call the meteor to the planet, and when he had the power, Sephiroth then summoned the meteor to the planet, which didn't take that long to do.
I thought he wasn't on the planet when he summoned the meteor to the planet.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
On of his feats IS hacking through stone walls.
He asked a skyskraper, not a stone wall.
Originally posted by Ultimate WilAnd you assume the meteor is going to be by the planet in this fight? It took months to use the Black Materia, which, HE NO LONGER HAS.
Of course it took months to do, he needed the power to actually call the meteor to the planet, and when he had the power, Sephiroth then summoned the meteor to the planet, which didn't take that long to do.I thought he wasn't on the planet when he summoned the meteor to the planet.
Um, yeah, he was.
Oh, and Meteor could not destroy the planet, only wound it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. no obviously not, theres no such enemy although....to be fair the Dahaka can teleprot pretty much instantly, even the Dahakas speed is at a disadvantage. We know because the prince is manipulating time, not just speed, so the speed Sephiroth will be reduced by would be as a percentage of his speed and time it takes for him to move AND his thought process to start.2. Yes but the dagger doesnt just cut speed by half, as Gumachi said, the slow effect can make arrows being fired seem slow, which are much faster than humans. And judging by some of the other abilities Gumachi has dug up, the prince can freeze his enemies as well.
3. A long sword means nothing, TK is the only problem prince may have but then he could simply rewind time.
4. weve gone through this, hes only got 7 uses, his abilities last for a fair while, about 20 seconds I would say.
1. That may make it even closer to tell whos faster, but from what ive seen seph would still be faster than prince, not by much, but he would be faster. Prince is a lil faster than a human, more like an acrobatic fit person, and seph is just straight out inhuman, hes extremely fast, i would think much faster than an arrow.
2. This would be the only serious problem seph would have, unless seph could get off a tk faster than prince could stop time.
3. Seem like a problem at first, but what good does knowing whats going to happen if you cant stop it? Even if prince rewinded time, knew seph was going to tk, what could he possibly do? Not much.
4. Very limited, so any mess up or misjudgement on rewinding time would take away a lot of his vital sand, which pretty much the only thing hes got going for him in this fight. Without it its a completely blowout, and 7 gauges, even if at like 30 seconds, is not so much.
and wil it wont be so easy as calling a meteor, it almost looks as if your baiting. tge already stated he doesnt have the black materia, and even if he did he would be on the planet with prince which would do him no help at all.
Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. That may make it even closer to tell whos faster, but from what ive seen seph would still be faster than prince, not by much, but he would be faster. Prince is a lil faster than a human, more like an acrobatic fit person, and seph is just straight out inhuman, hes extremely fast, i would think much faster than an arrow.2. This would be the only serious problem seph would have, unless seph could get off a tk faster than prince could stop time.
3. Seem like a problem at first, but what good does knowing whats going to happen if you cant stop it? Even if prince rewinded time, knew seph was going to tk, what could he possibly do? Not much.
4. Very limited, so any mess up or misjudgement on rewinding time would take away a lot of his vital sand, which pretty much the only thing hes got going for him in this fight. Without it its a completely blowout, and 7 gauges, even if at like 30 seconds, is not so much.
and wil it wont be so easy as calling a meteor, it almost looks as if your baiting. tge already stated he doesnt have the black materia, and even if he did he would be on the planet with prince which would do him no help at all.
1. well as you said, if hes faster, its not by much, not enough to give him any real advantage, and Seph isnt that fast on foot, when hes fighting CLoud hes not that fast that being slowed in time would make little diffrence, it would make a big diffrence. And as i said before, Seph is fast, but he wouldnt hardly move at all if he cannot think hardly, his thought process would be reduced in speed as well, making his reaction time slower as well etc etc
2. impossible, Prince stops time pretty much instantly, and the dagger looks after prince even if Prince is not doing anything.
3. Well lets say this is a real battle, prince would rewind before Sephiroth even began any of his attacks, even long before it. If the prince cannot rewind further back than the beginning of the battle to the degree of this threads rules, then he will still have major knowledge on what Seph "is" going to do, Prince may simply rewind enough to try a diffrent tactic all together. besides Sephiroth has nothing that prince couldnt escape, if its a sword attack, and your right that somehow Sephiroth is still much faster than prince, Prince would know the attack, where Sephiroth is going to teleport to etc, and would run/dodge/roll accordginly.
4. its an enormous amount, using those 7 sand tanks he can save his life 7 times, slow time 7 times, or speed himself up by Double AND freeze time for the cost of 3 sand tanks, twice, still allowing him to rewind time if he does happen to get defeated again.
also so far weve all been assuming this is gameplay, if this is the real world, surely Prince has infnite sand power, because when he rewinds time, he is going back before the time he was defeated and had to use the power of the sands, thus, he would still have the sands to use as he pleases when "rewind" is concerned at least.
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. well as you said, if hes faster, its not by much, not enough to give him any real advantage, and Seph isnt that fast on foot, when hes fighting CLoud hes not that fast that being slowed in time would make little diffrence, it would make a big diffrence. And as i said before, Seph is fast, but he wouldnt hardly move at all if he cannot think hardly, his thought process would be reduced in speed as well, making his reaction time slower as well etc etc2. impossible, Prince stops time pretty much instantly, and the dagger looks after prince even if Prince is not doing anything.
3. Well lets say this is a real battle, prince would rewind before Sephiroth even began any of his attacks, even long before it. If the prince cannot rewind further back than the beginning of the battle to the degree of this threads rules, then he will still have major knowledge on what Seph "is" going to do, Prince may simply rewind enough to try a diffrent tactic all together. besides Sephiroth has nothing that prince couldnt escape, if its a sword attack, and your right that somehow Sephiroth is still much faster than prince, Prince would know the attack, where Sephiroth is going to teleport to etc, and would run/dodge/roll accordginly.
4. its an enormous amount, using those 7 sand tanks he can save his life 7 times, slow time 7 times, or speed himself up by Double AND freeze time for the cost of 3 sand tanks, twice, still allowing him to rewind time if he does happen to get defeated again.
also so far weve all been assuming this is gameplay, if this is the real world, surely Prince has infnite sand power, because when he rewinds time, he is going back before the time he was defeated and had to use the power of the sands, thus, he would still have the sands to use as he pleases when "rewind" is concerned at least.
1. He doesnt have to move directly on foot, im pretty sure he could teleport, jump, etc. and all it takes is that little beat of speed edge and once stab...
2. Didnt know that about dagger 😕
3. There is nothing the prince could do to stop, evade, or some other technique to get away from sephs tk, which was what i was mainly talking about. Sure, he could plan a dodge/evasion against a sword attack, but what would he do if he seph used tk? that then would pretty much be the end of the fight.
4. Save himself 7 times if he wants, using his sand tanks like that is pretty much post poning his death. If he used his sand tanks like the ladder and used 3 of them for a more powerful move, then that would make more sense because using his tanks for purely defense is just retared, as his offense wouldnt be able to touch seph without them.
When you talk about rewind like that, it doesnt really work. The sand tanks would be gone, and saying that they would be there becuase he rewinded time would only work if everything was returned to normal. i.e his position, and the big part is his train of thought would be the same as it was before, which he wouldnt remember to dodge that certain attack. So pretty much what im trying to say is that everything about prince stays the same if he rewinds time, or nothing does, so saying that his items (sands) return to normal as he rewinds time but saying his mind doesnt rewind is nonsense.
Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. He doesnt have to move directly on foot, im pretty sure he could teleport, jump, etc. and all it takes is that little beat of speed edge and once stab...2. Didnt know that about dagger 😕
3. There is nothing the prince could do to stop, evade, or some other technique to get away from sephs tk, which was what i was mainly talking about. Sure, he could plan a dodge/evasion against a sword attack, but what would he do if he seph used tk? that then would pretty much be the end of the fight.
4. Save himself 7 times if he wants, using his sand tanks like that is pretty much post poning his death. If he used his sand tanks like the ladder and used 3 of them for a more powerful move, then that would make more sense because using his tanks for purely defense is just retared, as his offense wouldnt be able to touch seph without them.
When you talk about rewind like that, it doesnt really work. The sand tanks would be gone, and saying that they would be there becuase he rewinded time would only work if everything was returned to normal. i.e his position, and the big part is his train of thought would be the same as it was before, which he wouldnt remember to dodge that certain attack. So pretty much what im trying to say is that everything about prince stays the same if he rewinds time, or nothing does, so saying that his items (sands) return to normal as he rewinds time but saying his mind doesnt rewind is nonsense.
Ive still not actually seen this teleport.
2. "Shrug"
3. He would simply have to rewind before the point Sephiroth was going to use TK, to the degree that he could take out sephiroth before he used it. But as i said, TK is quick, but when slowed, Sephiroths mind and reaction will also be slowed, you could never debate credibly that his mind would stil be fast enough because its impossible to gauge, on the other hand , I can simply state its slower, which it is, thus Prince has a chance more when time is slowed than if he did it without time slow.
4. I was making the point that they were not really that limited, 7 tanks goes a long way, especially when all you have to do is make a slight move diffrent to escape an attack to gain victory.
How would they be gone? he has rewound time, so technically they were never used, since hes wound it back. And weve seen Prince keeps his mind otherwise the entire concept of recall would not work as it has throughout all his games wheras the Sand tanks have been nothing more than a way of stopping you from doing it whenever and constantly. This could just be a gameplay mechanic, i dont remember it being described in the games.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Ive still not actually seen this teleport.2. "Shrug"
3. He would simply have to rewind before the point Sephiroth was going to use TK, to the degree that he could take out sephiroth before he used it. But as i said, TK is quick, but when slowed, Sephiroths mind and reaction will also be slowed, you could never debate credibly that his mind would stil be fast enough because its impossible to gauge, on the other hand , I can simply state its slower, which it is, thus Prince has a chance more when time is slowed than if he did it without time slow.
4. I was making the point that they were not really that limited, 7 tanks goes a long way, especially when all you have to do is make a slight move diffrent to escape an attack to gain victory.
How would they be gone? he has rewound time, so technically they were never used, since hes wound it back. And weve seen Prince keeps his mind otherwise the entire concept of recall would not work as it has throughout all his games wheras the Sand tanks have been nothing more than a way of stopping you from doing it whenever and constantly. This could just be a gameplay mechanic, i dont remember it being described in the games.
1. that was just one of the many things he could do besides simply using his feet. The point was that if seph is a lil faster even with princes slow time powers, thatll be all he'll need.
3. Just becuase prince is the one using the time powers here doesnt mean it gives you a better way to gauge his speed compared to sephs, its gonna be just as hard for you to compare who would win in speed as it is going to be me. My theory, is a very simple one: seph is multiple times faster than prince, in almost every single aspect that has to do with speed. So unless you have proof, which you already stated that you dont, of prince slowing someone near as fast as seph, then you could never debate credibly wether or not prince could slow down seph a lot for prince to kill him. Since seph is multiple times faster, its common sense to know than an average enemy prince faces gets slowed down a lot, but seph is not average person. So its pretty obvious to know that even if he is slowed down all that much he would still be faster than prince, in reaction/speed/quickness. And just because you can state seph would be slower does not mean you can prove it, nor could you guess better than i could of how much slower it would make him.
4. Just because you escape an attack does not gain a victory, it just postpones the fight. For one of princes stronger techniques, on the other hand, that may do something for him, but then again he only has 2 of those chances to get it right, which imo is not that much.
So your telling me, that when prince rewinds time, his sands go back like they were before he rewound time, yet his mind does not go back like it did before he rewound time? no, thats not how it works. its either 1. goes back in time with his current mindset and his current items, which would mean that the sand he used would stay current and his mind would stay in its current state, or 2. his sand goes back to like it was before, and his mind goes back to like it was before. It makes no sense that one part of him goes back to the past and one stays current. By your logic prince should pretty much be able to beat any non immortal character in gaming ever, based solely on the fact that he has unlimited sand to have unlimtied rewinds, which would prince end up finding some flaw in the opponent and never losing. B.S
Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. that was just one of the many things he could do besides simply using his feet. The point was that if seph is a lil faster even with princes slow time powers, thatll be all he'll need.3. Just becuase prince is the one using the time powers here doesnt mean it gives you a better way to gauge his speed compared to sephs, its gonna be just as hard for you to compare who would win in speed as it is going to be me. My theory, is a very simple one: seph is [b]multiple
times faster than prince, in almost every single aspect that has to do with speed. So unless you have proof, which you already stated that you dont, of prince slowing someone near as fast as seph, then you could never debate credibly wether or not prince could slow down seph a lot for prince to kill him. Since seph is multiple times faster, its common sense to know than an average enemy prince faces gets slowed down a lot, but seph is not average person. So its pretty obvious to know that even if he is slowed down all that much he would still be faster than prince, in reaction/speed/quickness. And just because you can state seph would be slower does not mean you can prove it, nor could you guess better than i could of how much slower it would make him.4. Just because you escape an attack does not gain a victory, it just postpones the fight. For one of princes stronger techniques, on the other hand, that may do something for him, but then again he only has 2 of those chances to get it right, which imo is not that much.
So your telling me, that when prince rewinds time, his sands go back like they were before he rewound time, yet his mind does not go back like it did before he rewound time? no, thats not how it works. its either 1. goes back in time with his current mindset and his current items, which would mean that the sand he used would stay current and his mind would stay in its current state, or 2. his sand goes back to like it was before, and his mind goes back to like it was before. It makes no sense that one part of him goes back to the past and one stays current. By your logic prince should pretty much be able to beat any non immortal character in gaming ever, based solely on the fact that he has unlimited sand to have unlimtied rewinds, which would prince end up finding some flaw in the opponent and never losing. B.S [/B]
1. seph is also stiff, i.e, hes not acrobatic, Prince although perhaps a tiny bit slower if slowed would sitll be jumping, flipping and rolling to escape any and all Sephs melee attacks and slice Sephiroth to pieces before he could do much at all, he wont be that superior to prince especially when slowed, if hes superior at all, ime simply stating this in the view that if you are indeed correct that Sephiroth is still faster than prince, even when slowed, then he will still be destroyed in close combat. And as i said, he would still react slower as well, so although he may be able to get to where prince was before he decided to run after him, in this slowed state, even him being faster, his reactions would all be slow and Prince would be running in a diffrent direction by the time sephiroth attempted anything.
3. Prince does not need to beat Sephiroth by slowing him down to a crawl, Prince coud beat Sephirth if he pretty much negated the major speed advantage he usually has, Princes speed and agility are more than enough and Sephiroths ridiculously long sword would work against him in this battle. No its not obvious at all, being multiple times faster doesnt mean he would not be slowed down enough to be killed with ease. The monsters that are of perhaps human speed that Prince slows are slowed to such a degree that their barely moving at all, so its likely Sephiroth would be moving...just pretty slowly.
4. What your saying is illogical and denies actual proof, Prince thoughout the entire games has rewound time and kept his mind, both inside and out of the story, including in the cutscenes. On the other hand, its not logical at all that this would happen, nor is it logical his sands would drain if hes rewound himself to before he used them.....problem for your side of the debate is that Prince always has his memories when he rewinds, however theres nothing to gauge apart from gameplay his actual sand reserves. So technically and logically, I am correct.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
And you assume the meteor is going to be by the planet in this fight? It took months to use the Black Materia, which, HE NO LONGER HAS.Um, yeah, he was.
Oh, and Meteor could not destroy the planet, only wound it.
Any feat he can use in a fight. Strongest form of Sephiroth, NOT WEAKEST!!!
As stated where?
He teleported in FFVII BT
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. seph is also stiff, i.e, hes not acrobatic, Prince although perhaps a tiny bit slower if slowed would sitll be jumping, flipping and rolling to escape any and all Sephs melee attacks and slice Sephiroth to pieces before he could do much at all, he wont be that superior to prince especially when slowed, if hes superior at all, ime simply stating this in the view that if you are indeed correct that Sephiroth is still faster than prince, even when slowed, then he will still be destroyed in close combat. And as i said, he would still react slower as well, so although he may be able to get to where prince [b]was before he decided to run after him, in this slowed state, even him being faster, his reactions would all be slow and Prince would be running in a diffrent direction by the time sephiroth attempted anything.3. Prince does not need to beat Sephiroth by slowing him down to a crawl, Prince coud beat Sephirth if he pretty much negated the major speed advantage he usually has, Princes speed and agility are more than enough and Sephiroths ridiculously long sword would work against him in this battle. No its not obvious at all, being multiple times faster doesnt mean he would not be slowed down enough to be killed with ease. The monsters that are of perhaps human speed that Prince slows are slowed to such a degree that their barely moving at all, so its likely Sephiroth would be moving...just pretty slowly.
4. What your saying is illogical and denies actual proof, Prince thoughout the entire games has rewound time and kept his mind, both inside and out of the story, including in the cutscenes. On the other hand, its not logical at all that this would happen, nor is it logical his sands would drain if hes rewound himself to before he used them.....problem for your side of the debate is that Prince always has his memories when he rewinds, however theres nothing to gauge apart from gameplay his actual sand reserves. So technically and logically, I am correct. [/B]
1. Ive said this before, but you may not have caught it, since it was in the mix of what i said earlier. Seph, i dont care who dislikes him, is many times faster than prince, and not just in speed, but in reflexes, thought, pretty much any part of speed. Anyone who disagrees with this obvious statement.....is a fanboy or blindly denying the truth. So your logic of how sephs body would be fast but his mind would be slower doesnt work.
3. Pretty much same as above, Sephs speed advantage is his one and major advantage, but in this fight he pretty much beats prince in everything, so knocking down sephs speed will only help so much, since he could use his sword, teleport behind him, use his tk, pretty much normal fight except a big speed reduction. And your definiton of "pretty slow" is kinda harsh, seph would be moving faster than prince.
4. Thats not what i said i think, im not stupid i know that his mind stays the same, because if his mind didnt then there would be not point to the rewind power. I only stated it becuase i needed to make a comparison in the fact that you make no sense when you say prince gets to keep his memory but his sand goes back. Its illogical that: prince rewinds time and his mind does not rewind. prince rewinds time and his items go back to normal? How come his items return back to normal (and by items, i mean sand) but his mind doesnt? You stated that his sand would come back, so prove it, and no its not the logical thing to think. I know that prince having sand tanks is noncanon. But if you would like to talk about canon, he probably does have a lot more of it in an actual canon fight, but its nonsense to think that canon wise he has unlimited of it, as unless you can prove that he has unlimited of it, you cant say that he does, the farthest thing you could do cannon wise would be to say that he has more than the "non-canon seven tanks" that he gets in the game.
The sword that the giant has is long, I doubt Seph's sword will be any much of a problem. If Seph teleports behind Prince[or use his TK]Prince would just rewind time, if Seph teleports behind Prince, Prince will rewind time[knowing what Seph is doing--he will know his attacks], jump out of Seph's away[jump on his head]and proceed to slash at Seph[even if he has to do it while time is slowed]. And if Prince looks into the future, he can slow down time, and after Prince does that, he pretty much knows what Seph is going to do. So he just slows time, Seph teleports behind Prince, but Prince slows time, and jumps out of Seph's range. Even canon wise Prince needs sand[if he has medallion I think], I think Prince needs sand canon wise also. If Prince can stab Seph, he MIGHT be able to turn him into sand. As for the "long sword" argument, Prince has the daggertail which is long than Seph's sword, and the daggertail can easily decapitate someone.[if he sneaks up behind someone it can pop easily]
Seph's Sword
Prince's Daggertail
Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. Ive said this before, but you may not have caught it, since it was in the mix of what i said earlier. Seph, i dont care who dislikes him, is [b]many times faster than prince, and not just in speed, but in reflexes, thought, pretty much any part of speed. Anyone who disagrees with this obvious statement.....is a fanboy or blindly denying the truth. So your logic of how sephs body would be fast but his mind would be slower doesnt work.3. Pretty much same as above, Sephs speed advantage is his one and major advantage, but in this fight he pretty much beats prince in everything, so knocking down sephs speed will only help so much, since he could use his sword, teleport behind him, use his tk, pretty much normal fight except a big speed reduction. And your definiton of "pretty slow" is kinda harsh, seph would be moving faster than prince.
4. Thats not what i said i think, im not stupid i know that his mind stays the same, because if his mind didnt then there would be not point to the rewind power. I only stated it becuase i needed to make a comparison in the fact that you make no sense when you say prince gets to keep his memory but his sand goes back. Its illogical that: prince rewinds time and his mind does not rewind. prince rewinds time and his items go back to normal? How come his items return back to normal (and by items, i mean sand) but his mind doesnt? You stated that his sand would come back, so prove it, and no its not the logical thing to think. I know that prince having sand tanks is noncanon. But if you would like to talk about canon, he probably does have a lot more of it in an actual canon fight, but its nonsense to think that canon wise he has unlimited of it, as unless you can prove that he has unlimited of it, you cant say that he does, the farthest thing you could do cannon wise would be to say that he has more than the "non-canon seven tanks" that he gets in the game. [/B]
1. No I heard it quite well but slowed in time, Sephiroth will not be many times faster than prince, if faster at all, and the speed advantage will be negated by sluggish reaction through being slowed in time unless you can actually prove his mind and reaction are both fast enough to negate said effects.
3. not at all, its not likely he will be moving faster than prince by any large degree, combined with the fact Prince is far more agile, the prince has this quite handily in the bag once time powers are activated.
4. His sand would logically go back because theres no reason why it wouldnt, hes rewindning himself entirely, the only reason that logic does not apply to his mind because weve actually seen it happen many times to his mind in and out of the storyline.
Or I could simply state he doesnt need sand tanks at all, since as you said their non canon, thus, he has unlimited canon uses of the dagger of time.
Originally posted by Gumachi
YouTube videoThe sword that the giant has is long, I doubt Seph's sword will be any much of a problem. If Seph teleports behind Prince[or use his TK]Prince would just rewind time, if Seph teleports behind Prince, Prince will rewind time[knowing what Seph is doing--he will know his attacks], jump out of Seph's away[jump on his head]and proceed to slash at Seph[even if he has to do it while time is slowed]. And if Prince looks into the future, he can slow down time, and after Prince does that, he pretty much knows what Seph is going to do. So he just slows time, Seph teleports behind Prince, but Prince slows time, and jumps out of Seph's range. Even canon wise Prince needs sand[if he has medallion I think], I think Prince needs sand canon wise also. If Prince can stab Seph, he MIGHT be able to turn him into sand. As for the "long sword" argument, Prince has the daggertail which is long than Seph's sword, and the daggertail can easily decapitate someone.[if he sneaks up behind someone it can pop easily]
Seph's Sword
Prince's Daggertail
You do know that Sephiroth has the ability to send beams out from Masamune, so he can just cut that shit in half: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Sephiroth+vs+Genesis&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f&safe=active#q=Sephiroth+vs+Genesis&hl=en&emb=1
Watch any of these videos. Sephiroth will just cut that shit in half. Masamune>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Daggertail
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
😂 How could he sneak up behind him in the battle? Sephiroth would just cut off his arm then, it doesn't matter if it is on his arm, he would just cut off his arm by sending millions of beams at his arm.
Prince can cut his head off, Prince can stop/slow time and wrap his daggertail around his neck killing him =\