Originally posted by Burning thought
1. No I heard it quite well but slowed in time, Sephiroth will not be many times faster than prince, if faster at all, and the speed advantage will be negated by sluggish reaction through being slowed in time unless [b]you can actually prove his mind and reaction are both fast enough to negate said effects.3. not at all, its not likely he will be moving faster than prince by any large degree, combined with the fact Prince is far more agile, the prince has this quite handily in the bag once time powers are activated.
4. His sand would logically go back because theres no reason why it wouldnt, hes rewindning himself entirely, the only reason that logic does not apply to his mind because weve actually seen it happen many times to his mind in and out of the storyline.
Or I could simply state he doesnt need sand tanks at all, since as you said their non canon, thus, he has unlimited canon uses of the dagger of time. [/B]
1. Sephs speed would be more than fast enough to kill prince. And for the millionth time, sephs reaction time will also be faster than princes, just as his speed would. you keep acting as if princes normal reactions are as fast as sephs. Just like his speed, his reactions in real time are multiple times faster than princes, so just like speed, even if prince slowed down time, sephs already super fast reactions would be slown down to somewhere around or faster than princes. This goes for every different type of speed of sephs, so quickness, agility, speed, are all going to be slowed down to a little faster than princes, if not more. And prove it? have you even played final fantasy? all of his speed categories ARE MULTIPLE times faster than princes, so if princes sands slow an average enemies speed to near hardly moving, its logical to think that someone, who is lets say about 15 times faster than an average human, would not be slown as much. If anyone has to prove anything, its you would have to prove that princes sand powers would slow seph to less than princes.
3. Not even. Its already obvious that seph would be faster than prince, we dont know if it would be by a large margin, but it would be by some. Then the fact that he has tk, which would be almost impossible for prince to dodge, the fact he can teleport, he can shoot lasers out of his sword, would be more than enough speed to kill prince. easily.
4. ok, look. The logical thing to happen if you go back in time, is to lose your memory and for it to return to normal. That doesnt happen with prince, so whos to say that anything else apart of him is logical? You say that the logical thing to do is for the sands to come back to normal and return, yet his memory doesnt, so just as illogical as his memory not returning to normal could be the same case and his sands not returning would be just as illogical as that. It was shown in canon and noncanon that his mind stays the same and you then believe it as fact. Since you dont understand what im saying, im simply going to ask you one question. Prove that his sand tanks are unlimited in a canon fight.
And yes, i said that sand tanks are noncanon, but you seem to not understand what that means. All sand tanks do is give the game a limit to how much time power the player can use. Just because there not there in a canon fight does not mean that he gets "unlimited" sand powers, as to think that would just mean your plain assuming things and being ignorant. All its saying is that in a canon fight, we dont know how much sand he actually has, so he may have less than in the actual game, he may be able to use if for up to a minute, but it doesnt mean he gets unlimited of it.
Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. Sephs speed would be more than fast enough to kill prince. And for the millionth time, [b]sephs reaction time will also be faster than princes, just as his speed would. you keep acting as if princes normal reactions are as fast as sephs. Just like his speed, his reactions in real time are multiple times faster than princes, so just like speed, even if prince slowed down time, sephs already super fast reactions would be slown down to somewhere around or faster than princes. This goes for every different type of speed of sephs, so quickness, agility, speed, are all going to be slowed down to a little faster than princes, if not more. And prove it? have you even played final fantasy? all of his speed categories ARE MULTIPLE times faster than princes, so if princes sands slow an average enemies speed to near hardly moving, its logical to think that someone, who is lets say about 15 times faster than an average human, would not be slown as much. If anyone has to prove anything, its you would have to prove that princes sand powers would slow seph to less than princes.3. Not even. Its already obvious that seph would be faster than prince, we dont know if it would be by a large margin, but it would be by some. Then the fact that he has tk, which would be almost impossible for prince to dodge, the fact he can teleport, he can shoot lasers out of his sword, would be more than enough speed to kill prince. easily.
4. ok, look. The logical thing to happen if you go back in time, is to lose your memory and for it to return to normal. That doesnt happen with prince, so whos to say that anything else apart of him is logical? You say that the logical thing to do is for the sands to come back to normal and return, yet his memory doesnt, so just as illogical as his memory not returning to normal could be the same case and his sands not returning would be just as illogical as that. It was shown in canon and noncanon that his mind stays the same and you then believe it as fact. Since you dont understand what im saying, im simply going to ask you one question. Prove that his sand tanks are unlimited in a canon fight.
And yes, i said that sand tanks are noncanon, but you seem to not understand what that means. All sand tanks do is give the game a limit to how much time power the player can use. Just because there not there in a canon fight does not mean that he gets "unlimited" sand powers, as to think that would just mean your plain assuming things and being ignorant. All its saying is that in a canon fight, we dont know how much sand he actually has, so he may have less than in the actual game, he may be able to use if for up to a minute, but it doesnt mean he gets unlimited of it. [/B]
1. Show me proof for Sephiroths reaction time being so much faster than princes please, to the degree that even when slowed to a crawl he would outspeed prince by such a margin? And where has Seph showed agility on par with Prince?
And why would I prove that when youve yet to prove Sephiroths speed is by such a high margin, its already proven Prince slows beings of human speed to hardly moving, including arrows and the various fast traps he has to get past which are faster than humans....Sephiroth is not that much faster in every way, especially his mind, which cannot be proven to be much faster.
3. TK has nothing to do with Sephiroths movement speed, you still need to prove he can actually will such an effect to the same degree of speed as you think he would be in every other aspect when slowed.
4. Well you have to assume its logical, otherwise this debate will immedialtey become worthless, in every debate logic has to be taken into consideration unless something else says otherwise about that character. Its proven his memory is the same, its not proven his sands are.
Why not? he can do time powers, we know how they work, and they work on the fly, and they even worked when he first finds the dagger, has no idea of its full power or how to use it and could have been lieing where he found it for years, yet it still works. The sands of time are his only in-game limit.....what happens if in a canon instance (like this debate) that limit is removed?
Originally posted by Burning thought
Nah he has an anti sephiroth ray too which wipes out the FF universe along with Sephiroths she-male gheyness!
Ha, and Sephiroth has the ability to destroy the entire universe, and he will survive in space while everyone else dies, and there is no way to counter it 😂 in your face
Originally posted by Ultimate WilIf you are serious, you are an idiot.
Ha, and Sephiroth has the ability to destroy the entire universe, and he will survive in space while everyone else dies, and there is no way to counter it 😂 in your face
Sephiroth could not destroy a planet, it took him two years to prepare to even destroy one...And he failed, and all it would have done is killed its life like a poison.
Sephiroth cannot survive a planet's destruction, you have no basis for that claim.
Stfu.
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. Show me proof for Sephiroths reaction time being so much faster than princes please, to the degree that even when slowed to a crawl he would outspeed prince by such a margin? And where has Seph showed agility on par with Prince?And why would I prove that when youve yet to prove Sephiroths speed is by such a high margin, its already proven Prince slows beings of human speed to hardly moving, including arrows and the various fast traps he has to get past which are faster than humans....Sephiroth is not that much faster in every way, especially his mind, which cannot be proven to be much faster.
3. TK has nothing to do with Sephiroths movement speed, you still need to prove he can actually will such an effect to the same degree of speed as you think he would be in every other aspect when slowed.
4. Well you have to assume its logical, otherwise this debate will immedialtey become worthless, in every debate logic has to be taken into consideration unless something else says otherwise about that character. Its proven his memory is the same, its [b]not
proven his sands are.Why not? he can do time powers, we know how they work, and they work on the fly, and they even worked when he first finds the dagger, has no idea of its full power or how to use it and could have been lieing where he found it for years, yet it still works. The sands of time are his only in-game limit.....what happens if in a canon instance (like this debate) that limit is removed? [/B]
1. If you have watched ac, or played any of the ff games then you would know that seph is is A LOT faster than prince in every aspect. But if you still need proof that seph is much faster than a normal human, here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ZaSipHuO4 Prince is no where near as close to genesis or angeal in speed, and sephiroth took both of them on like it was nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5U1Rh8ixwk&feature=related
Way faster than prince here, way, way faster, while messing around with him again. And shown to jump extremely high, and he also flies in kingdom hearts 2.
If anyone wants to show any other vids of seph and his speed feats, please do so.
That and the fact that seph can teleport... he definitely beats him tremendously in speed.
1. Prince has good agility, but sephs normal movment is much faster than princes, so even if prince can do a bunch of backflips here and there it doesnt matter. And yes its quite obvious his mind is faster, seph usually needs a split second to think of what to do, so his fast movments are only becuase seph thinks of what to do. Your brain is what sends signals to his body to make him move, so if his movements are fast.. then his brain would have to be atleast as fast or faster than his mind.
3. Tk doesnt effect his movment speed but it would be quicker to kill prince that way, which was the point i was trying to make. If seph cant simply speed blitz him, then he could either tk from a distance, or use his sword (which is shown to cut from a distance and move extremely fast and proven in the video).
4. You pretty much just answered your own question.. you just said that his mind is proven to stay the same, but his sands ARENT proven to stay the same. So saying that his sands would go back is basing it off of nothing.
Ok, just because the limit of his sands are removed, does NOT mean that he gets unlimited of it, it just means that we dont know what that limit is. unless you have proof of it saying canonically that prince has unlimited sand, its nonsense to assume he gets unlimited of it just because there isnt a specified limit. Its like saying dante gets unlimited devil trigger because in canon he doesnt have a meter.. he may have more of his dt canonically than noncanonically, but it doesnt mean he gets unlimited of it.
Originally posted by k1Lla441
1. If you have watched ac, or played any of the ff games then you would know that seph is is A LOT faster than prince in every aspect. But if you still need proof that seph is much faster than a normal human, here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ZaSipHuO4 Prince is no where near as close to genesis or angeal in speed, and sephiroth took both of them on like it was nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5U1Rh8ixwk&feature=related
Way faster than prince here, way, way faster, while messing around with him again. And shown to jump extremely high, and he also flies in kingdom hearts 2.
If anyone wants to show any other vids of seph and his speed feats, please do so.That and the fact that seph can teleport... he definitely beats him tremendously in speed.
1. Prince has good agility, but sephs normal movment is much faster than princes, so even if prince can do a bunch of backflips here and there it doesnt matter. And yes its quite obvious his mind is faster, seph usually needs a split second to think of what to do, so his fast movments are only becuase seph thinks of what to do. Your brain is what sends signals to his body to make him move, so if his movements are fast.. then his brain would have to be atleast as fast or faster than his mind.
3. Tk doesnt effect his movment speed but it would be quicker to kill prince that way, which was the point i was trying to make. If seph cant simply speed blitz him, then he could either tk from a distance, or use his sword (which is shown to cut from a distance and move extremely fast and proven in the video).
4. You pretty much just answered your own question.. you just said that his mind is proven to stay the same, but his sands ARENT proven to stay the same. So saying that his sands would go back is basing it off of nothing.
Ok, just because the limit of his sands are removed, does NOT mean that he gets unlimited of it, it just means that we dont know what that limit is. unless you have proof of it saying canonically that prince has unlimited sand, its nonsense to assume he gets unlimited of it just because there isnt a specified limit. Its like saying dante gets unlimited devil trigger because in canon he doesnt have a meter.. he may have more of his dt canonically than noncanonically, but it doesnt mean he gets unlimited of it.
1. not when slowed, the slowing effect will certainly make him a tad slower than prince, if it makes a normal human to crawling/barely moving speed, it would significantly reduce Sephiroth also, in every way.
Yeh but neither of them have slow time do they...no....both of them like Sephiroth are fairly static swordsmen, in that I mean their not rolling and dodging or trying to develop more genius techniques by getting under and around Sephiroths guard.
Yes but he wasnt slowed in any of these videos by a time vortex that would make normal humans seem like their barely moving.
1. erm yes it does matter, because you see a backflip is not the same as a normal movement, rolls, backflips etc will all work against Sephiroth who seems to be a very static sword fighter (stands in one place/moves forwards) much like a fencer. No none of that holds true, Prince thnks of things in an instant also, infact Prince does it far more than Sephiroth when hes dodging and jumping past many many traps, especially when their in a gauntlet line with the terrain exploding and falling around him.
3. But as I said above, everything about him will be slowed, from his mentla input, to his willpower, even the TK effect actually happeing will be limited in speed, a split second is all prince needs to escape a general area where TK is being used, Sephiroth would end up TKing rocks and bits of debris because Prince is moving too fast for him to not only will something to happen but conentrate at the willpower hes trying to exert.
4. Thats like a negative, you dont have to prove negatives, the sands are not proven to be canon in their limit at all, if there even is a limit. The only limit is gameplay and logically they would rewind alongside prince, so he would havei infinite sand usage.
but DT is actually canon, and in DMC3 when he finds the orb that drains his soul slowly, it also gives him power and he says so, meaning he can stay in DT indefinatley while holding it, which emphasises it does canonically have a limit. There is no such instance with the sands.
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. not when slowed, the slowing effect will certainly make him a tad slower than prince, if it makes a normal human to crawling/barely moving speed, it would significantly reduce Sephiroth also, in every way.Yeh but neither of them have slow time do they...no....both of them like Sephiroth are fairly static swordsmen, in that I mean their not rolling and dodging or trying to develop more genius techniques by getting under and around Sephiroths guard.
Yes but he wasnt slowed in any of these videos by a time vortex that would make normal humans seem like their barely moving.
1. erm yes it does matter, because you see a backflip is not the same as a normal movement, rolls, backflips etc will all work against Sephiroth who seems to be a very static sword fighter (stands in one place/moves forwards) much like a fencer. No none of that holds true, Prince thnks of things in an instant also, infact Prince does it far more than Sephiroth when hes dodging and jumping past many many traps, especially when their in a gauntlet line with the terrain exploding and falling around him.
3. But as I said above, everything about him will be slowed, from his mentla input, to his willpower, even the TK effect actually happeing will be limited in speed, a split second is all prince needs to escape a general area where TK is being used, Sephiroth would end up TKing rocks and bits of debris because Prince is moving too fast for him to not only will something to happen but conentrate at the willpower hes trying to exert.
4. Thats like a negative, you dont have to prove negatives, the sands are not proven to be canon in their limit at all, if there even is a limit. The only limit is gameplay and [b]logically
they would rewind alongside prince, so he would havei infinite sand usage.but DT is actually canon, and in DMC3 when he finds the orb that drains his soul slowly, it also gives him power and he says so, meaning he can stay in DT indefinatley while holding it, which emphasises it does canonically have a limit. There is no such instance with the sands. [/B]
1. No i wouldnt.
Thats not my point... the point was his normal speed is many times faster than princes speed, which means that when slowed, he would be atleast as fast or a little faster than prince is. The point of that video was to show that either genesis or angeal completely dominate prince in speed, so the fact that seph stopped both of them harly trying at all shows that when slown down he would be about as fast or faster than prince.
The key word in that sentence is that it would make a normal human seem like there crawling, but last time i check sephiroth is probably one of the leat human like being in ff, and is far superior to any human in every aspect.
1. So your telling me that prince is so agile that he could backflip away from a guy who can teleport, who can use tk, can fly, and shoot laser beams out of his sword? Yes it does hold true, you stated i need to prove sephs mind is fast too. Well is pretty much all ready proven in the fact that your body doesnt react all buy its self all the time, like 90 percent of the time you have to think before you do something, so that proves that sephs mind would have to atleast be as fast or faster than his movements, which are extremely fast. And prince would probably be using his time powers if anything remotely fast came at him. If you want show me a vid of him showing just how agile he is, because anything less that remarkable is not so great.
3. I know, i acknowledged that already. Willpower? how the hell would that be slowed? Tk pretty much happens in a milisecond (like 1/10 of a second), so even if it gets slown down five times from all the affects of princes sand powers, it still woud be about only half a second, which would still be fast enough to grab and kill prince. And do i even have to say how fast a laser beam travels? That would completely desmember prince.
4. The sands give prince his time powers, so by that fact they are not really logical. So you trying to say that he gets them back because its the logical thing.. is not right. Prince would probably have everything return to normal like his items, but his sand and his mind are two exceptions. Just because they took his gauges away doenst mean he gets unlimited sand, it just means we dont know that limit yet. Its foolish to think his sands are just like every other item, there more than that, it was the actual thing that gave prince his time powers, so im pretty sure there not subject to its own time rewinding power.
Originally posted by Burning thought
The prince can wipe out the omniverse of every fictional verse BEFORE he even wills it to happen.....I win...besides stop trolling, youve trolled this thread from the beginning, cant you go away now that ive given you some treats in the form of attension?
What part of Sephiroth is resistant to everything didn't you understand? I win 😛 😛 😛 In your face 🙂 💃
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
If you are serious, you are an idiot.Sephiroth could not destroy a planet, it took him two years to prepare to even destroy one...And he failed, and all it would have done is killed its life like a poison.
Sephiroth cannot survive a planet's destruction, you have no basis for that claim.
Stfu.
BT is saying bullshit stuff, so why can't I? Read his posts as well, not mine, got it!