Originally posted by zeelok
Old captian marvel before the power up did better against BA then current Billy. translation.PISS POOR WRITING on D.C's part again. How in the hell can a BA clone combined with the skyfather shazam perform like that. This current version of caprian marvel couldnt even beat the Thing from the fantastic four LOL.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
so what's the synopsis sugar? captain marvel and black adam were equals but now he's superior ? enlighten me
Many people miss the fact that Isis helped Black Adam sucker punch Captain Marvel just at the beginning of the fight, with the same rock that killed Shazam. Black Adam event commented on it.
Originally posted by I'm Bran
I didn't type that, and my question marks don't have a space in between the words and it.Anyway, so it affected him because you didn't like it?
But you were thinking it.
No, it affected him because it was actually shown that it did, since Black Adam started kicking his ass afterwards. Why would this element be introduced if it has no bearing on the fight ? Why would Black Adam make a plan out of using it before he starts attacking if he could take Billy they way he did anyway ? Sometimes you have to use common sense.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaNo I wasn't. I never space my question marks from my words.
But you were thinking it.No, it affected him because it was actually shown that it did, since Black Adam started kicking his ass afterwards. Why would this element be introduced if it has no bearing on the fight ? Why would Black Adam make a plan out of using it before he starts attacking if he could take Billy they way he did anyway ? Sometimes you have to use common sense.
So why did it miss him when Black Adam tried to bash him with it (he rolled out of the way before anything happened)? Why didn't it effect Black Adam when he bashed through the rock that withheld the power to crush Gods? Why was nothing said of it? If it would have worked, shouldn't it have killed him on the spot? Where was it said to have the ability to weaken Gods?
Oh, and why were they able to get the power of Shazam without any mentioning of it being weaker, and it only being the power.
I agree with your last sentence though, however, I'd like to add that using assumptions without proof is pretty much making shit up.
Originally posted by I'm Bran
No I wasn't. I never space my question marks from my words.So why did it miss him when Black Adam tried to bash him with it (he rolled out of the way before anything happened)? Why didn't it effect Black Adam when he bashed through the rock that withheld the power to crush Gods? Why was nothing said of it? If it would have worked, shouldn't it have killed him on the spot? Where was it said to have the ability to weaken Gods?
Oh, and why were they able to get the power of Shazam without any mentioning of it being weaker, and it only being the power.
I agree with your last sentence though, however, I'd like to add that using assumptions without proof is pretty much making shit up.
You're thinking sentences without space between question marks and words ? Nice.
It didn't miss him. At least, not fully. Why would it affect Black Adam ? He wasn't the one the rock was falling on. Nothing was said of it ? You missed the part where Black Adam was commenting on the Rock's power while attacking Billy with it ? One could argue the rock didn't hit him fully and thus him not dying. Point is, the rock did hit him, and it's quite logical that if a rock that is made to kill gods hits you, you weaken.
Because he was still the guardian of the Rock of Eternity, and thus the one posessing Shazam's power. Nobody said the rock hitting him made Shazam's power suddenly dissapear.
Assumptions ? Not really. It's like somebody hitting another guy with a shovel in the back of the head at the beginning of a fight, and asking me to prove that the other guy couldn't perform at his best.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaIf your scenario accounted for the minimal evidence that the shovel even hit the guy, and the complete disregard for the shovel that the guy had afterwards, you might have a reasonable analogy.
Assumptions ? Not really. It's like somebody hitting another guy with a shovel in the back of the head at the beginning of a fight, and asking me to prove that the other guy couldn't perform at his best.
As it is now, it just smells of fail.
It looked like it was mentioned to show that Teth tried to make the fight concise and quick, and missed with his sneak attack.
If I swung a shovel at a guy's head, he ducked it, and then punched me in the face, I wouldn't assume that the shovel affected his performance much.
Sometimes you just have to use common sense.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaNo. You said I was thinking about putting a question mark a space after my words. I'd never do that.
You're thinking sentences without space between question marks and words ? Nice.It didn't miss him. At least, not fully. Why would it affect Black Adam ? He wasn't the one the rock was falling on. Nothing was said of it ? You missed the part where Black Adam was commenting on the Rock's power while attacking Billy with it ? One could argue the rock didn't hit him fully and thus him not dying. Point is, the rock did hit him, and it's quite logical that if a rock that is made to kill gods hits you, you weaken.
Assumptions ? Not really. It's like somebody hitting another guy with a shovel in the back of the head at the beginning of a fight, and asking me to prove that the other guy couldn't perform at his best.
Right, it hit his back, and then he rolled before anything could happen.
Because Adam just put his fists through the rock that has the power to crush Gods. He basically went through all the power, and it was never said that it only affected them by falling. Wait, I bet you have a scan to say it does... awaiting your scans.
Nothing was said that it affected him. And besides, he rolled out of the way. It basically touched him at best.
That was never stated anywhere (considering it's logical), and I didn't have the foggiest idea that was logical (considering it wasn't stated). I guess it's only logical when you want to reach for arguments other than "I don't like it, it didn't happen".
Also, if that is logical that if it hits you, that it weakens you, what if you hit it hard enough the shatter the entire thing? You're still making hard physical contact with it, no?
Yes assumptions. What if the guy who got hit by a shovel actually got hit by a rock light enough that he was still able to roll out of the way, and hellbowed the person who dropped it before he could even touch him?
What if the person was never shown to be affected by this falling rock? Also a shovel or rock wouldn't sap your strength, it would make you dizzy, stunned, bleeding, or hurt. Billy wasn't shown to have any of those...
Only said the last couple of sentences because you brought up the comparison before anything gets said. It's no worse than using no proof to reach for something you don't like I guess.
Also, why were they able to gather the Power of Shazam by absorbing his power? He was weakened, they should have only been able to gather a little bit of power.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Because he was still the guardian of the Rock of Eternity, and thus the one posessing Shazam's power. Nobody said the rock hitting him made Shazam's power suddenly dissapear.
So he was weakened, but he still had full possession of his power?
Going by what you said earlier:
"and it's quite logical that if a rock that is made to kill gods hits you, you weaken."
That would mean that the rock would be sapping his strength away...
I don't know, I'm going to bed. Might reply to your posts tomorrow/today for the lulz.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
If your scenario accounted for the minimal evidence that the shovel even hit the guy, and the complete disregard for the shovel that the guy had afterwards, you might have a reasonable analogy.As it is now, it just smells of fail.
It looked like it was mentioned to show that Teth tried to make the fight concise and quick, and missed with his sneak attack.
If I swung a shovel at a guy's head, he ducked it, and then punched me in the face, I wouldn't assume that the shovel affected his performance much.
Sometimes you just have to use common sense.
You just have to follow the artistic depictions and Black Adam commenting on the rock's god crushing ability while pounding on it until Billy rolls out and hits Black Adam to realize that it hit him.
Common sense ? Would common sense dictate that Captain Marvel with the Wizard's power get so easily handled by Black Adam ? Or that the rock element would be introduced for apparently .. no reason ?
Yeah, sometimes you just have to use common sense.