Originally posted by Bentley
So let me get this straight, this is not Nick Fury nor MJJ's Fury, but yet another Fury that has nothing to do with those two?And that Punisher... Is it Frank or a Punisher robot?
It's MMJ's Fury that was resurrected as a result of M-Day. And a punisher bot of Galactus...on Galactus' worldship.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well theres two problems with that.1. Hes said perhaps.
2. Hes fought other heralds before and been able to hurt them.Probably not looking at how he usually fights.
so he didn't engage in a h2h battle. gotcha. 👆
So did I. 🙄
happen to read any superman ones so you could compare the two and make an informed decision?
Ok I see what you are saying but I think you are missing the point. Eventhough brute strength was not used to defeat it all sorts of different attackes were bing used to defeat it. If it merely took brute force they would have used it.
nobody on that team is even half as capable of bringing the kind of physical force to bear that superman can. even bishop was able to knock it off its feet and stun it.
Sage was analysing The Fury and looking at The Furys weakness and amping Rachel. If it all it took was brute force Sage would have gone for that option.
again, from who? that team was: Logan, Rachel, Sage, Storm, Bishop, Kurt and Cannonball. Nobody renowned for outstanding strength and durability.
At any rate The Fury is merged with The Punisher so it now has class 100 durability, it can also create a forcefield.
it still has to fight superman.
As far as I know the black hole was created inside the Fury so thats different. At any rate Superman is going to have a hard time destroying it and in the mean time its going to get stronger.
there's no proof it can become strong enough.
Originally posted by Raoul
so he didn't engage in a h2h battle. gotcha. 👆
Cosmic blasts do physical damage and are just as powerful.
Originally posted by Raoul
happen to read any superman ones so you could compare the two and make an informed decision?
Yes I have actually. Ok thats the end of that. Its not my fault you're just gutted that I read the issues involved.
Originally posted by Raoul
nobody on that team is even half as capable of bringing the kind of physical force to bear that superman can. even bishop was able to knock it off its feet and stun it.
*sigh* Rachel Summers is telekinetic she was being amped by Sage she was capable of creating serious amounts of brute force but they resorted to the black hole because that was the best plan of attack.
Originally posted by Raoul
again, from who? that team was: Logan, Rachel, Sage, Storm, Bishop, Kurt and Cannonball. Nobody renowned for outstanding strength and durability.
Rachel Summers? She was being amped by Sage but resorted to the black hole because it was the best of plan of attack. 😐
Originally posted by Raoul
it still has to fight superman.
Yeah of course 😕
Originally posted by Raoul
there's no proof it can become strong enough.
Yes it is. Thats why they resorted to creating a black hole. Anyway a black hole does physical damage its just very powerful. The black hole was a manifestation of her telekinesis.
The point is moot anyway because a Punisher robot can withstand Supermans punches not indefintely of course but it The Fury aspect will just regenerate.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Cosmic blasts do physical damage and are just as powerful.
proof?
Yes I have actually. Ok thats the end of that.
ermm
*sigh* Rachel Summers is telekinetic she was being amped by Sage she was capable of creating serious amounts of brute force but they resorted to the black hole because that was the best plan of attack.
rachel's tk = superman's strength?
The point is moot anyway because a Punisher robot can withstand Supermans punches.
proof?
Originally posted by Raoul
proof?
Well Surfer was describing his attacks as blows and we see it doing physical damages its not 100% clear cut but theres a good chance it physical as well.
Originally posted by Raoul
rachel's tk = superman's strength?
I was under the impression that telekinesis does physical damages thats one of the reasons why it has kinesis on the end of it and thats why we see it being used to move people etc
Rachel is capable of forming telekinesis in the form of blasts but as I stated many times Sage was analysing the Fury for the best form of attack. The black hole was a manifestation of her telekinesis
Originally posted by Raoul
proof?
I think its highly unlikley that SS blasts were just energy based. Also The Punsiher robot was able to create a force field that Thing could not doing anything. Clearly Supeman is much stronger than Thing but if its strong enough for Thing to have no effect on it it can at leat hold if Superman for awhile.
Also the Fury aspect of it will make the Punsiher robot stronger anyway.
Originally posted by Raoul
that = superman? durteam books/events =/= regular comics.
What so the hundred of showings that Superman has in JLA doesnt count? Thats like saying The Avengers cant teach you anything about Captain America. You're just looking for anything you can you use no matter how small.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What so the hundred of showings that Superman has in JLA doesnt count? Thats like saying The Avengers cant teach you anything about Captain America. You're just looking for anything you can you use no matter how small.
that's like me using punisher crossover books rather than the actual regular punisher books.
regular books have more feats, more focus, and massively reduce any need for jobbing.
so, again, i say: dur
Originally posted by Raoul
that's like me using punisher crossover books rather than the actual regular punisher books.
Actually the punisher crossovers arent that much different from the regualr comics, so thats not helping your argument, but hey any excuse.
Originally posted by Raoul
regular books have more feats, more focus, and massively reduce any need for jobbing.so, again, i say: dur
You are probably exaggerating. Hell you even tried to say that SS was weakened when he fought The Punisher.
Captain America and Thor are not that much different from how they are in their regular comics no doubt if actually spent my hard earned cash on Superman comics it would probably be a waste of time.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Actually the punisher crossovers arent that much different from the regualr comics, so thats not helping your argument, but hey any excuse.You are probably exaggerating. Hell you even tried to say that SS was weakened when he fought The Punisher.
Captain America and Thor are not that much different from how they are in their regular comics no doubt if actually spent my hard earned cash on Superman comics it would probably be a waste of time.
so how many nerves did i hit?