Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Actually the punisher crossovers arent that much different from the regualr comics, so thats not helping your argument, but hey any excuse.You are probably exaggerating. Hell you even tried to say that SS was weakened when he fought The Punisher.
Captain America and Thor are not that much different from how they are in their regular comics no doubt if actually spent my hard earned cash on Superman comics it would probably be a waste of time.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
you missed the point. several in fact.
reading JLA and events does not paint a completely accurate version of superman, as any feat that you read could be contradicted by the regular books.
without reading the regular books, you're missing out on the tons of things he does every month.
this one better?
badawe
Originally posted by Raoul
you missed the point. several in fact.reading JLA and events does not paint a completely accurate version of superman, as any feat that you read could be contradicted by the regular books.
without reading the regular books, you're missing out on the tons of things he does every month.
this one better?
badawe
No you're not getting it. I think you're lying. You're example of The Punisher isnt even true and there are other characters that are in teams that are not much difffernt in showings when they appear in their own individual issues. So I doubt that Superman would be much different.
Furthermore it seems to in this debate you just make excuses. Where did you get the idea that SS was weakened when fighting The Punisher? I aksed you that already and that seems completely fabricated.
Why is it you keep making the excuses that when The Xmen fought The team was not uber but forgetting that Rachel was ? Etc.
In other words based on how you debated you are probably exaggerating and if I bought the individual issues it probably wouldnt make much difference.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No you're not getting it. I think you're lying. You're example of The Punisher isnt even true and there are other characters that are in teams that are not much difffernt in showings when they appear in their own individual issues. So I doubt that Superman would be much different.
but how will you know unless you read them?
fact: the majority of superman's feats are in his own comics. jla isn't like other team books. 99% of jla is unlike other team books. you don't get one issue about superman and one about diana and one about wally, as they all have their own books, which you're supposed to read. jla is about the big bad, not the day to day of each character.
Furthermore it seems to in this debate you just make excuses. Where did you get the idea that SS was weakened when fighting The Punisher? I aksed you that already and that seems completely fabricated.
i read it from the scan.
Why is it you keep making the excuses that when The Xmen fought The team was not uber but forgetting that Rachel was ? Etc.
rachel alone, that they had to amp, did what starman could do alone.
In other words based on how you debated you are probably exaggerating and if I bought the individual issues it probably wouldnt make much difference.
so gracious in defeat. i commend you, sir.
Originally posted by Raoul
but how will you know unless you read them?fact: the majority of superman's feats are in his own comics. jla isn't like other team books. 99% of jla is unlike other team books. you don't get one issue about superman and one about diana and one about wally, as they all have their own books, which you're supposed to read. jla is about the big bad, not the day to day of each character.
Im well aware of that but I have been in debates with other posters who from instinct I have detected make excuses. Ive gone to the effort to read the issues concerned and it doesnt back up their case, hell ive even given other posters the heads up on specific posters and what ive said about them has held true. I cant see any difference from Batman in JLA and considering that I can think of lots of characters that are not much different in individual books than they are in the team. Why is Superman unique?
In other words you could be right but you're probably not. Im just taking your word for it and its not good enough. Im not spending my acsh on Superman comics just because you said so. Hell I bought IC and ID because I wanted to.
Originally posted by Raoul
i read it from the scan.
Give me a quote.
Originally posted by Raoul
rachel alone, that they had to amp, did what starman could do alone.
So what a sec the thread is Superman vs not Starman vs. How is that relevant?
Originally posted by Raoul
he doesn't need it, imo. surfer said himself that because both are powered by galactus (in a sense), that surfer wasn't hurting him as much. if surfer was at full strength and able to hurt him, then i'd like to see what happens...also, fury got beat by what was largely a second rate x-men team.
A weakened Fury.
And they opened a black hole inside him and combined that with the use of technology. Not a feat Superman can replicate.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im well aware of that but I have been in debates with other posters who from instinct I have detected make excuses. Ive gone to the effort to read the issues concerned and it doesnt back up their case, hell ive even given other posters the heads up on specific posters and what ive said about them has held true.
such as?
I cant see any difference from Batman in JLA and considering that I can think of lots of characters that are not much different in individual books than they are in the team. Why is Superman unique?
that's the point. he's not. superman, batman, the flash, wonder woman, green lantern and black canary are all different in their solo books. and those are just examples.
In other words you could be right but you're probably not. Im just taking your word for it and its not good enough. Im not spending my acsh on Superman comics just because you said so. Hell I bought IC and ID because I wanted to.
i never told you to buy them.
Give me a quote.
Originally posted by Raoul
surfer says:"My stoutest blows have no effect on him - perhaps because Galactus created us both, [b]he is somehow immune to my blasts of power cosmic.
"also, it isn't even specified if the surfer is throwing punches...[/B]
So what a sec the thread is Superman vs not Starman vs. How is that relevant?
starman does on a regular basis what rachel had to be amped to do, and he's not on superman's level.
black holes just aren't that impressive to the higher up dc people, so they have to punch at a higher weight class than an amped rachel grey and a weak copy of the fury.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
A weakened Fury.And they opened a black hole inside him and combined that with the use of technology. Not a feat Superman can replicate.
i never said he could. i said he wouldn't need to.
Originally posted by Raoul
such as?
Im not going into a long speal about other posters and their debates here. No doubt you think im probably fobbing you off.
Originally posted by Raoul
that's the point. he's not. superman, batman, the flash, wonder woman, green lantern and black canary are all different in their solo books. and those are just examples.
I just stated to you that Batman isnt that much different, you then stated that he is. The point is I have the comics to justify this so in other words why should I trust you about Superman when the stuff I can verify doesnt back you up? I also stated this about other heroes as well. You completely missed the point.
Originally posted by Raoul
i never told you to buy them.
Forget it.
Originally posted by Raoul
starman does on a regular basis what rachel had to be amped to do, and he's not on superman's level.
Can Superman create a black hole? That sounds a bit ABCish.
Originally posted by Raoul
black holes just aren't that impressive to the higher up dc people, so they have to punch at a higher weight class than an amped rachel grey and a weak copy of the fury.
Unless Superman can create a black hole I dont see how hes beating The Fury. It could however be a stalemate.
P.S> I asked for an example where SS was weakened not an example of his powers not affecting him, thats not the same thing.
I mean for starters you stated that its common knwoledge that Ds is better tactically in h2h than Cap and its not, especially with the differing opinions in the thread im talking about. Why should I take anything you say when you keep stating stuff as fact which can be verffied as not being neccsarily true....good grief.
Stating that weak Fury/copy got beaten by a second rate team
is, a bit misleading imo, meaning ... it was no cake walk.
Sure, in the end it was beaten,
but it took them almost touching death in order to do so.
All those X-Men were getting stomped by that weak Fury/copy,
had it not been for detailed choreographed teamwork
with a freakin concentrated stellar black hole involved,
they would've all died soon enough.