Classic Juggernaut vs The Saint of Killers

im not talking about god, im talking about sok.

and I was referring to him fighting to his potential, a spell any spell can be broken. if Juggernauts enchantment was infinite he would have never been stopped by a celestial amped hulk. the spell was broken and there was nothing that cytorrak could do. that's the point im trying to make. its like the crimson bands, they've been broken numerous occasions it just takes a significant amount of force to repel the spell.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Not that I can remember.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
im not talking about god, im talking about sok.

So your assessment is SoK is LT level then? 😬

and I was referring to him fighting to his potential, a spell any spell can be broken. if Juggernauts enchantment was infinite he would have never been stopped by a celestial amped hulk. the spell was broken and there was nothing that cytorrak could do. that's the point im trying to make. its like the crimson bands, they've been broken numerous occasions it just takes a significant amount of force to repel the spell.

Since when does Thor possess that level of magic? Classic Strange admitted on panel he wasn't powerful enough to severe Juggernauts connection to Cyttorak. D'spayre couldn't even do it.

Originally posted by I'm Bran
right

So you're saying?

that he hasnt

Why would Juggernaut suddenly rise up if he's been killed if there's no basis for it?

That would be a fine arguement in a debate titled "SoK vs. Anyone who doesn't have a magical connection to Cyttorak".

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
That would be a fine arguement in a debate titled "SoK vs. Anyone who doesn't have a magical connection to Cyttorak".

There's no basis for him reviving an avatar that has been killed.

We don't even know if he could revive him since everyone that SOK has shot has basically blanked out like they got hit by the UN.

etc.

"connection"

He got involved with Juggernaut during the WW/X-Men story. Even teleporting Cain to NY on request.

I can assure you that Cyttorak isn't going to just let his avatar be killed if he can help it. What purpose would that serve considering he wants an avatar in this realm?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
He got involved with Juggernaut during the WW/X-Men story. Even teleporting Cain to NY on request.

I can assure you that Cyttorak isn't going to just let his avatar be killed if he can help it. What purpose would that serve considering he wants an avatar in this realm?

'If he can help it' being the key words.

It would allow him to get a new avatar.

Originally posted by I'm Bran
With Juggy's consent.

'If he can help it' being the key words.

It would allow him to get a new avatar.

I don't know much about the SOK guy, but I heard he killed God with a gun or something like that so I don't think I'm going to declare a winner here.

Furthermore in Cain's defense, Cyttorak wouldn't want a new avatar provided Cain does what he is supposed to which being evil and destructive. He has stated that he was his best avatar so far and being the Juggernaut is the one thing in life that he didn't fail at.

I don't know if he can revive him or not but we recently found out that he died while in Oblivion and was mysteriously revived and spat out and stuff. Not saying Cyttorak directly had something to do with that, but some how he came back to life.

Originally posted by I'm Bran

We don't even know if he could revive him since everyone that SOK has shot has basically blanked out like they got hit by the UN.

Originally posted by Mindset
That isn't true. 😕

who lived?

Originally posted by Mindset
That isn't true. 😕

Originally posted by Sin I AM
who lived?

Originally posted by I'm Bran
The ones that he could kill.

Originally posted by Mindset
They just died, they weren't erased, isn't that what you were saying?

Obviously the bodies didn't disappear.

Originally posted by I'm Bran
No. I meant that after they died, they didn't exist anymore... anywheres.

Obviously the bodies didn't disappear.

They didn't exist anywhere based on?

Originally posted by Mindset
Then how is it like the UN?

They didn't exist anywhere based on?

It's like it because it is seemingly a step beyond death. How can you revive a being that is destroyed like that?

Originally posted by I'm Bran
On the Devil being killed in Hell and not coming back to the afterlife.

It's like it because it is seemingly a step beyond death. How can you revive a being that is destroyed like that?

Originally posted by Mindset
The Devil is a spirit, he can't go to the afterlife because he is already there.