Originally posted by Enyalus
I think Marvel holds the small edge with guys like Iron Fist, Shang Chi, DareDevil, and Black Panther.But if you do factor in Val, that definitely tips the scales in favor of DC.
Well, DC has guys like I-Ching, Nemesis, Manhunter, shiva (who has some chi attacks), Batgirl, Jin Si, etc...
But, I actually think MU takes a small edge, if not about even.
Things like the Iron Fist and KK's exotic MA's take characters out of the "Peak Human" range just as Moondragon's Psi abilities and Dr. Strange's sorcery do IMO. Between ACTUAL humans, I believe Steve Rodgers takes the cake...
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Originally posted by Silent Guardian
Can someone define peak human please. I always considered peak humans to be natural humans, with ridiculous skills, that were not obtained through magic or any other form of augmentation other than training.
I once saw a movie called "The boy who could fly".
The movie showed that if someone believed strong enough then anything is possible (even a human flying around). Now even though this may or may not be true, Comic writers try to show something like this through the use of term "peak human". Comic writers want to sell us that if a human trains to a certain level then he/she can achieve seemingly superhuman feats. Almost like those old kung-fu movies where everyone's flying around and going through brick walls like nothing.
I would define a peak human as a human who is strong, fast, etc. as he/she could possibly be. In other words, they have truly maximized their stats naturally.
Here are some of my guidelines:
1. The peak human cannot get stronger, faster, etc. no matter how much they train. They train only to maintain there peak human status.
2. If through training or some other avenue that the peak human's stats increase (evenly slightly) then he/she isn't peak human anymore.
Now the question is can Daredevil's, Batman's, etc. stats increase further with more training. If not, then they are certainly peak human. And if so, then they are not peak human but below it.
Comics disagree with reality of what peak human is. Comics tend to take the classic kung-fu or "boy who can fly" approach.
Think about this.
Someone who can lift 800lbs over there head is hella strong in reality. But in comics it would go almost unnoticeable. That is why comic writers have these beings do things that seemingly require greater than 800lb strength just to get you to remember that he/she can lift 800lbs over their head (which is a hellava lot).
So I've come to the conclusion that it is best to take writer's intentions over on panel feats only if the feats contradict their intentions. For example, Spider-man lifting over 100tons contradicts the writer's intentions but they feel they must show this to either give you that "boy who can fly" effect or make you remember that this character is still hella strong (in case you forgot).
Originally posted by Lord Feron
Bruce Lee!!!
I believe he would be a reality Peak Human.
I looked at his feats (on Wikipedia). He used to curl with 80lb dumbells for chriss sakes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee#Physical_feats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee#Physical_fitness
In Martial Arts movies they have to speed up the camera to make the characters seem as if they are moving fast (like some of Jet Li movies) but Bruce Lee's combat movements were at times too fast to be captured on film at 24 frames per second, so many scenes were shot in 32fps to put Lee in slow motion. Normally martial arts films are sped up..
This means they had to slow down Bruce Lee's movements where ithers they had to speed up. This is incredible.
Originally posted by h1a8I'm not sure how reliable wikipedia is on that.
I believe he would be a reality Peak Human.
I looked at his feats (on Wikipedia). He used to curl with 80lb dumbells for chriss sakes.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee#Physical_feats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee#Physical_fitness
In Martial Arts movies they have to speed up the camera to make the characters seem as if they are moving fast (like some of Jet Li movies) but Bruce Lee's combat movements were at times too fast to be captured on film at 24 frames per second, so many scenes were shot in 32fps to put Lee in slow motion. Normally martial arts films are sped up..
This means they had to slow down Bruce Lee's movements where ithers they had to speed up. This is incredible.
Originally posted by Mindset
Let me clarify, I'm not sure how true those feats are.
No one can be.
But the same goes with history too.
How do we know that Isaac Newton existed or that he co-invented calculus?
We have to accept some things as truth whether we know for sure or not. Otherwise, everything unseen couldn't be discussed as if it was true. Its all about how reliable the sources are.
