Black Bolt vs. Orion.

Started by Original Smurph6 pages

Originally posted by Starscream M
would you want to debate that in a battlezone at some point in the future?
Sure.

Originally posted by cloud102
I wasn't aware Orion was a Skrull Warrior.

I was unaware that BB was a Thanagrian or Darkseid...

Originally posted by cloud102
Well that's the thing. Tech is an extension of Orion. He has shown the ability to summon shit. Harness, Mother Box, special weapons, and the Genesis Box. It doesn't work the way you think.

When has he ever summoned a Genisis Box? From what I understand he had to reprogram a Motherbox before, he never just summoned a Genesis box from a puff of smoke.

Well from my take on things, I wouldn't consider BB nearly as skilled in h2h as Orion. Sure BB might have a good level of MA talent but not to the degree Orion has. Strength,durability are overwhealmimng favoring Orion...the only aspect I'm uncertain of is speed. I don't know if Orion has superspeed movement or if he can apply it into the confides of a battle situation either offensivly or defensivly.

Originally posted by cloud102
It wouldn't really matter if he used 100 %, IMO, and he probably wouldn't do that in the first place. When was the last time he used it at a 100% and what happened when he did?
Not relevant, as he doesn't need 100% of his voice output to KO Orion.

Let's say it took 1/100'th of his power to KO Gladiator (as it was only a whisper).

That'd be 1%.

What % would it take to KO Orion, in your opinion?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well from my take on things, I wouldn't consider BB nearly as skilled in h2h as Orion. Sure BB might have a good level of MA talent but not to the degree Orion has. Strength,durability are overwhealmimng favoring Orion...the only aspect I'm uncertain of is speed. I don't know if Orion has superspeed movement or if he can apply it into the confides of a battle situation either offensivly or defensivly.

He's speed blitzed before. Even in a FRIGGEN COMA.

Originally posted by Mindset
The key word in that sentence is warrior.

facepalm

It was a joke, dude.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Sure BB might have a good level of MA talent but not to the degree Orion has.
Based on which showings of Black Bolt's would you base this?

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Not relevant, as he doesn't need 100% of his voice output to KO Orion.

Let's say it took 1/100'th of his power to KO Gladiator (as it was only a whisper).

That'd be 1%.

What % would it take to KO Orion, in your opinion?

Like I said, still wouldn't matter. Especially someone who can do everything Bolt can and more.

Originally posted by cloud102
It was a joke, dude.
Hard to tell. 🙂

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Sure.
great...it's on!

Originally posted by Mindset
Hard to tell. 🙂

Maybe I should have put the happy dance?

Originally posted by cloud102
Like I said, still wouldn't matter. Especially someone who can do everything Bolt can and more.
Still wouldn't matter?

Meaning, what? That Black Bolt's voice can't KO him?

And I'd challenge the idea that he can do everything Blackagar can, but it's irrelevant.

Originally posted by Starscream M
great...it's on!
When?

Originally posted by Original Smurph
When?
can we do this sometime in March...I'm going to be very busy in the next three weeks and I also need to do some research for this

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Still wouldn't matter?

Meaning, what? That Black Bolt's voice can't KO him?

And I'd challenge the idea that he can do everything Blackagar can, but it's irrelevant.

Yes, he can't, if Orion wishes it.

Originally posted by cloud102
He's speed blitzed before. Even in a FRIGGEN COMA.

Was it ever specified how fast he can move, not with the aid of any external device but rather his own bodily movement. If it's true he can move close to lightspeed and can apply it during battle...this fight is pretty much over. From what I see, Orion seems to move at roughly around meta level with no application during combat.

Originally posted by Starscream M
can we do this sometime in March...I'm going to be very busy in the next three weeks and I also need to do some research for this
If you want to wait that long, sure. There'll be periods in March that I'm busy though.

Originally posted by cloud102
Yes, he can't, if Orion wishes it.
He can't what?

KO Orion with his voice?

I'm not talking about dodging, just power output vs. durability.

Originally posted by cloud102
Last time he did it was in Simonson's run, IIRC. And in his own series. He doesn't do it every time, but he has in the past. Including manipulating time. All New Gods or most are able to do this.
Twice?

There's a difference between using an ability that is applied by simply making a noise, and a move that you've used twice in a long history, before anyone says anything.

If BB needs to win and nobody important is around...

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Was it ever specified how fast he can move, not with the aid of any external device but rather his own bodily movement. If it's true he can move close to lightspeed and can apply it during battle...this fight is pretty much over. From what I see, Orion seems to move at roughly around meta level with no application during combat.

I believe fangirl posted a scan of him flying at super-speeds without the harness. The way it was shown when he was in a coma, pretty much shows him at least quicksilver/jay level.

He can also Boom Tube light years away in a matter of moments as well.