Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Can't win. They just can't win this. If Spectre needs to win, he will destroy the entire race.
How the hell do you figure? If anything, based off what we know about the Infinites, they're not bound by the laws of the 616 universe, and it's implied that they're multiversal, if not omniversal.
How the do you know an Infinite won't punk Spectre the way Mxy has in the past? And for that matter, why does the Spectre get involved in anything if he hasn't already taken a side and is driven to see things through?
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Spectre merged with the Source is an outside amp. The Logos however, is not.Tjcoady: Exactly. 👆 Spectre cannot lose unless god doesn't want him to win.
Crappy logic, the same can be said of any comic character. Spectre has lost enough times for us to stop assuming that he will win unless hindered.
Originally posted by Bentley
Crappy logic, the same can be said of any comic character. Spectre has lost enough times for us to stop assuming that he will win unless hindered.
I disagree.
Obviously any character can win if a "Supreme" being desires them to win, but the Spectre has always been and will always be, a special case.
It's too obvious that the Spectre's powers are dependent on the will of the Presence/God/Elaine/whatever the **** you want to call it.
Even in the original Corrigan days, this was a fact of his powers.
Trust me, I've gone to ground searching for Spectre loses just because I was annoyed about versus threads about the Spectre, and I have seen every single time he's lost and ever time he's won; and they are all over the place. I've seen the Spectre lose to superheroes, demons, 4/5 D imps, Monitor level beings, angelic or demonic beings from Vertigo (from Lucifer to Native American Gods to Animal Gods in the shitty issues of Animal Man) to the Great Evil Beast and Cain. But when the writer decides that the Presence wants the Spectre to win, he does.
The Spectre wins when the writer decides the Presence is behind him. And when the writer is someone who writes good stories like Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, or Mike Carey, that works. I mean, even in the more recent issues of the Blue Beetle, the Scarab was suggesting world destroying options, and it was acknowledged that they wouldn't even come close to harming the Spectre.
You want to dig deep?
Lets quote John Constantine, who, although a liar, knows more about DC magic than anyone. And since Grant Morrison says fiction counts more than anything else, well, lets just listen.
"Whatever it is, sometimes it's the most powerful thing in the universe. And sometimes it's just a little man in green tights" (Books of Magic, Two)
And this is the John Constantine, who remembers the events of the original Crisis without distraction, who can stroll through battles between the Anti-Monitor and the Multiverse's superheroes like it doesn't even exist.... classic John Constantine who makes Moore's Swamp Thing look like a fool.
Whatever. The Spectre isn't one of those characters who gets narration like Captain America where it says "they always wins." The Spectre's powerset IS literally that he will win unless the Presence says he doesn't. That's what he does. It's been established too many times to argue with.
Anyways, Bentley, I'm not arguing with your logic. I agree WAY too much to do that. We have too many characters here on the KMC boards that get fan-wanked about how it's in their powerset to always win (Flash, The Silver Surfer, Darkseid, Superman, Punisher, Batman.... you could go on for days with characters from street level to Beyonder-leverl).....
But the Spectre has to be a special case. It's been shown too many times that "being the special case" is literally his powers to argue with that.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Can't win. They just can't win this. If Spectre needs to win, he will destroy the entire race.
😆 😆 😆
He saw DC vs Marvel and automatically assumed the infinte couldnt win. DC fanboy here for real.
One infinite was shown to be much more powerful than Eternity how the hell is Spectre gonna destory the whole race,...jeezus.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
😆 😆 😆He saw DC vs Marvel and automatically assumed the infinte couldnt win. DC fanboy here for real.
One infinite was shown to be much more powerful than Eternity how the hell is Spectre gonna destory the whole race,...jeezus.
Originally posted by fangirl101
And The Spectre could destroy the whole race of imps if he so chose.
Mxy whipped his ass just fine, so unless you're going to argue that the Spectre's a depraved masochist in addition to being the right hand of God, then he couldn't do so under his own power.
From what's been generally agreed upon here is that he's only unstoppable with the full-backing of the Presence.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Mxy whipped his ass just fine, so unless you're going to argue that the Spectre's a depraved masochist in addition to being the right hand of God, then he couldn't do so under his own power.From what's been generally agreed upon here is that he's only unstoppable with the full-backing of the Presence.