CHRISTIAN BALE tantrum on terminator set.

siriuswriter, you are probably closest to reality.

I am not sure if anyone who has posted realizes the type of personality it takes to be an actor of that caliber. People hear about this "being in character" all the time. They literally have to live up the character. Be in the moment. It is a state of being that can be hard to turn off and on. It's not like a switch. To truly explore the depths of the character that you are acting out, you have to think, act, feel, and want just as the character would to really bring the character to life. It may sound easy just reading my words, however, that's why very few people can actually make it to the upper echelon of acting.

When you're in that moment; in that character; feeling and thinking to the point that it is natural for the camera, you can very well stay in that moment and not experience very much of a "moment" dynamic. It can feel claustrophobic when you think about it. It can feel like nothing will change and your stuck being in that "person". It is not uncommon to end a day or two of filming an emotional scene with some tears of just distraught or emotional chaos.

Once he was out of the moment, back to what he should be, he could think much more clearly and he knows what he did was too far. Either that, or his PR person gave him verbal beat down and setup his apology. Also, reading that apology, it looks like I guessed it right. He was still "stuck" in character, caught up in the emotions.

I am quite sure someone like inimalist could better explain what I'm trying to convey. I still have a hard time with psychology.

BTW, Heath Ledger appears to have pushed himself to the absolute limits and beyond to "get into character" for the Joker. He actually pushed beyond his limits and never recovered.

Don't judge people so harshly. This man doesn't have the same type of mental state or personality that we are accostumed to as normal.

I can't remember which actor said it, but he said something like, "It takes someone truly insane to want to be an actor."

I think Mr. Bale learned something from this. I didn't lose or gain any respect for him as an actor. He is still one of my favorite actors. I don't agree with his actions. However, I blew up today, myself, while talking to my boss about a coworker who had just blown up on me, so how can I judge him in anyway?

Originally posted by siriuswriter
well as much debate as there is about this tape, here's my opinion.

films are much different to create than plays [i act, i'm in plays, la dee da.]

it's actually a bit easier to get into character when you're doing something on the stage, because you don't have take after take and there's no one to come on between takes to adjust your makeup or whatever.

But getting emotional [and from the previous terminators, we all know he's talking to his wife, blah de blah, emotional tension galore.]. PLUS he has the challenge of doing the accent. PLUS they're probably not shooting in sequence. PLUS there are all these props to worry about, and a set that probably looks ridiculous if you're actually there.

So you've done numerous takes of this scene, and this guy keeps walking across the set to do something he should be doing in between takes.

... sooner or later, something's gotta give. and probably since bale, who undoubtedly works very hard and takes acting very seriously, who's in this emotional place that was very hard to get to as an actor....

yeah. it's blow-up time. i'm kind of surprised that the director didn't say anything. that would make me really frustrated. like... the actor's trying to do is job and one of the crew members is being all *a little confused*. i would think it's the director's job to call him out, but i guess that wasn't happening.

i think bale was mad that 1) it was happening in the first place and 2) that he was the guy that had to bring it up.

because let's think here. if the director had this kind of meltdown, would we have six pages of discussion on it?

ermmmm. yeaaah.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
siriuswriter, you are probably closest to reality.

I am not sure if anyone who has posted realizes the type of personality it takes to be an actor of that caliber. People hear about this "being in character" all the time. They literally have to live up the character. Be in the moment. It is a state of being that can be hard to turn off and on. It's not like a switch. To truly explore the depths of the character that you are acting out, you have to think, act, feel, and want just as the character would to really bring the character to life. It may sound easy just reading my words, however, that's why very few people can actually make it to the upper echelon of acting.

When you're in that moment; in that character; feeling and thinking to the point that it is natural for the camera, you can very well stay in that moment and not experience very much of a "moment" dynamic. It can feel claustrophobic when you think about it. It can feel like nothing will change and your stuck being in that "person". It is not uncommon to end a day or two of filming an emotional scene with some tears of just distraught or emotional chaos.

Once he was out of the moment, back to what he should be, he could think much more clearly and he knows what he did was too far. Either that, or his PR person gave him verbal beat down and setup his apology. Also, reading that apology, it looks like I guessed it right. He was still "stuck" in character, caught up in the emotions.

I am quite sure someone like inimalist could better explain what I'm trying to convey. I still have a hard time with psychology.

BTW, Heath Ledger appears to have pushed himself to the absolute limits and beyond to "get into character" for the Joker. He actually pushed beyond his limits and never recovered.

Don't judge people so harshly. This man doesn't have the same type of mental state or personality that we are accostumed to as normal.

I can't remember which actor said it, but he said something like, "It takes someone truly insane to want to be an actor."

I think Mr. Bale learned something from this. I didn't lose or gain any respect for him as an actor. He is still one of my favorite actors. I don't agree with his actions. However, I blew up today, myself, while talking to my boss about a coworker who had just blown up on me, so how can I judge him in anyway?

I agree

If he's such a great actor he wouldn't be getting distracted by someone walking about, out of shot but in his line of sight. That's all the guy did. He had the audacity to walk in Bale's line of sight while he was shooting a scene for an action movie that will have as much depth as a puddle of rain water.

And just for the record, on the director being less valid fodder than an a actor for rant threads, no way.

Rants are rants, be they from Dog the (Bounty Hunter), Orson Welles (Actor/Director), Christian Bale (actor and psycho) or Buddy Rich (psycho/greatest drummer ever).
They can be entertaining/shocking/informative.

Besides, initially, this thread garnered such attention as the emphysis was on the question of "Was Bale right to try to have the guy fired." aspect, later rendered moot by the realisation that he only threatened the guy with it if he offended again.

Bale is definitely an actor that gets very deep into his roles, so I'm not really surprised he had a go at this guy. Of course, that doesn't make it alright though.

Is Bale actually a good actor?

Playing Batman isn´t that hard is it, for example, and even there he wasn´t that good in fact boring.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Is Bale actually a good actor?

Playing Batman isn´t that hard is it, for example, and even there he wasn´t that good in fact boring.

He was a very good Batman, imo.

I also liked him very much in The Prestige, Equilibrium, The Velvet Goldmine and American Psycho.

Oh yeh Equilibrium was good as well. I agree he was a good Batman, but is that a hard demanding role?

The new terminator movie won´t be terminator if Arny aint in it.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Oh yeh Equilibrium was good as well. I agree he was a good Batman, but is that a hard demanding role?

The new terminator movie won´t be terminator if Arny aint in it.

His american Psycho performance is the 1st one I always think off when trying to decide whether he can act.

For ages I thought it was an amazing performance.

But now though I think it was just drawing on who Bale actually is...
(Which isnt real hard acting, per say., aside from some decent accent work.)

Just like Tom Cruise in "Tropic Thunder".

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Is Bale actually a good actor?

Playing Batman isn´t that hard is it, for example, and even there he wasn´t that good in fact boring.

Well someone had to play the voice of reason in that movie, and that was him. I think he did a very good job, and I've been impressed with his other movies as well. Its hard to compare him with Heath Ledger's performance, because that character was just so out-there, but pushing him aside, I really think Bale did very well.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-brief7-2009feb07,0,1623588.story

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Is Bale actually a good actor?

Playing Batman isn´t that hard is it, for example, and even there he wasn´t that good in fact boring.

I thought his Batman, relative to his other roles, was weak. I like him much better for his other roles.

Originally posted by jaden101
If he's such a great actor he wouldn't be getting distracted by someone walking about, out of shot but in his line of sight.

Don't forget, also messing with the lights. 😐 Also, it is pretty damn distracting. As he implies, it is very very very basic that you don't mess with the lights during a take. You aren't supposed to move, really, unless your moving is assisting with the take. I am surprised that the director didn't go ape shit as well.

Originally posted by jaden101
That's all the guy did. He had the audacity to walk in Bale's line of sight while he was shooting a scene for an action movie that will have as much depth as a puddle of rain water.

This is his life, his work. This is his job. If you want to fault him for putting forth his very best in all his films...

This story should be a tad deeper than your typical sci fi action movie.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Is Bale actually a good actor?

Playing Batman isn´t that hard is it, for example, and even there he wasn´t that good in fact boring.

I think so, he has several good roles under his belt, starting with Empire of the Sun.

I disagree, Clooney and Kilmer did shit as Batman and they're both good actors too, with many a decent role in their careers, especially George. Bale's Batman was a bit stale at times though; I think that is due to it being more of a serious action movie than the previous incarnations.

edit: The Machinist is another good role of Bale's, that hasn't been mentioned above(?).

Originally posted by jaden101
If he's such a great actor he wouldn't be getting distracted by someone walking about, out of shot but in his line of sight.

I take it you have lots of acting experience.

Originally posted by jaden101

That's all the guy did. He had the audacity to walk in Bale's line of sight while he was shooting a scene for an action movie that will have as much depth as a puddle of rain water.

The audio indicated that it happened numerous times before.

I take it you have lots of acting experience.

The implication being that because i'm not an actor i don't know what good acting is?...

The audio indicated that it happened numerous times before.

What?...He walked about numerous times before...how very dare he have the audacity to walk in the same room as Christian Bale.

Don't forget, also messing with the lights.

There's no mention of that in the audio at all and none that implicated it was a problem...the only thing the guy said was he was "looking at the lights"

This story should be a tad deeper than your typical sci fi action movie.

I doubt it very much.

Originally posted by jaden101
The implication being that because i'm not an actor i don't know what good acting is?...

No. He's implying that you don't know what it's like on the set, I think.

Originally posted by jaden101
What?...He walked about numerous times before...how very dare he have the audacity to walk in the same room as Christian Bale.

This is an '82 Honda! HOW DARE YOU!

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Originally posted by jaden101
There's no mention of that in the audio at all and none that implicated it was a problem...the only thing the guy said was he was "looking at the lights"

There is mention of it. True. However, we can assume that he wasn't there to just "look" at the lights.

Originally posted by jaden101
I doubt it very much.

I don't. T2 was pretty dramatic (in a good way) at parts.

Dramatic i don't doubt...deep...as in emotionally...i do doubt.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I take it you have lots of acting experience.

Does that matter, its not exactly hard is it pretending to be some character. I could do it.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Does that matter, its not exactly hard is it pretending to be some character. I could do it.

For an extended time? Taking on the emotional characteristics of the character? While following a script? Well enough to get paid?

There's a very large gap between "pretending" and "acting".