I need debating help

K plz don't close this thread. I need help with my argument of why vader would beat voldemort in fight.

this debate is going on at my work and I need some help mainly because I don't own all the harry potter books and getting citations for why voldemort wouldn't use the aveda kedavera right off the bat because he would try and torture vader first .

any way i need your guys's help so if you would help me i would appreciate it.

Assuming no PIS, then Voldemort wouldn't try to torture Vader first; he'd try to kill him right off the bat.

Originally posted by Publius II
Assuming no PIS, then Voldemort wouldn't try to torture Vader first; he'd try to kill him right off the bat.

Honestly, I don't know how well a Force user would do against someone of Voldemort's calibre. Part of me still thinks the man could defeat the likes of Sidious and Luke.

Depends where this fight is taking really, put vader in the harry potter universe and he would fall on his own because theres no "force" in that universe and therefore volde wins.

Place voldemort in the SW universe and then thats where vader has the major advantage.

Presumably, they exist in the same universe. The only way I can see a Force user winning is through superior reflexes; Voldemort's physically only human.

Vader should be able to snap his neck before he can blink, to be honest. But should he fail to do so, Voldemort has an infinite number of ways to kill him.

Can vader grip his balls and then squeeze them hard enough to kill voldemort?

Originally posted by Publius II
Vader should be able to snap his neck before he can blink, to be honest. But should he fail to do so, Voldemort has an infinite number of ways to kill him.

That's what I mean. Voldemort isn't limited in the ways that Vader are, in terms of both scope and scale.

Not to mention the whole possession thing.

Originally posted by DorianYates
Can vader grip his balls and then squeeze them hard enough to kill voldemort?

I'm telling on you.

Edit: And you'd have to be Harry Potter to be "possessed" by Voldemort if he isn't physically dead (which would be a TKO, as far as I'm concerned).

Are you sure you have to be Harry Potter in order to be possessed by someone?

Edit: That was completely retarded. What I meant was "are you sure Voldemort can only possess Harry Potter if he isn't physically dead?"

Naaah i only take growth hormones 😖

And i told your mom 😄

But on the serious matter i can't say who wins for sure and i don't know jack about voldemort so i'll concede.

Originally posted by Gideon
Are you sure you have to be Harry Potter in order to be possessed by someone?

Edit: That was completely retarded. What I meant was "are you sure Voldemort can only possess Harry Potter if he isn't physically dead?"

Originally posted by Publius II
Reading is good. I meant that if the target isn't Harry Potter (it isn't), Voldemort needs to be in corporeal form to possess it (as with Quirrel, the animals, etc.).

He wasn't corporeal when he possessed Quirrel.

Originally posted by Gideon
He wasn't corporeal when he possessed Quirrel.

Incorporeal.

This thread is doing things to our grammar.

I give up. This thread is cursed.

Well, as Lucas puts it, if Jedi existed in real life they'd move 'faster than the eye can see'. Think of Mace Windu in the Clone Wars against the thousand droids. You think Volde can take something like that?

Well, that's the point I think.

It's at least 5/5 for both combatants with it going 6/10 in Vader's favor, methinks.

Basically whoever attacks first wins.

I think Vader would win this Voldemort still has to say the spell doesn't he? In that time shouldn't Vader be able to force choke him or rip his wand out of his hand?

I think that vader would immediately choke him or move in with a lightsaber and cut him in half. where as voldemort would try and torture him because in book 5 i think snape says how voldemort woul torture his opponents until they begged for him to kill them.

also since the force is in all things it would be in magic too if they were to be in the same univers or at least I would say that the force would be an equal "force" in the sense that say they cast a spell a force push could push the spell back.

also vaders force defenses i'd say would prove useful in this fight.

as to voldo's possesion i think he can only possess people who arent too powerful like i doubt he could possess the likes of dumbledoor or mad eye

also i think he could only possess harry because of their bond since harry was a horocrux of volomorts

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
I think that vader would immediately choke him or move in with a lightsaber and cut him in half. where as voldemort would try and torture him because in book 5 i think snape says how voldemort woul torture his opponents until they begged for him to kill them.

also since the force is in all things it would be in magic too if they were to be in the same univers or at least I would say that the force would be an equal "force" in the sense that say they cast a spell a force push could push the spell back.

also vaders force defenses i'd say would prove useful in this fight.

as to voldo's possesion i think he can only possess people who arent too powerful like i doubt he could possess the likes of dumbledoor or mad eye

also i think he could only possess harry because of their bond since harry was a horocrux of volomorts

Yeah any spells that work like a projectiles can probably be neutralized by a force shield but I don't know if the death spell works like other spells in that regard.

However as you said, If Volde needs to utter words to use the spell Vader could easily crush his vocal chords with a choke.